Thanks Trillian

It is the experience of the ASA that many women prefer operative delivery. It believes that women must be fully advised about the benefits and disbenefits of operative as opposed to vaginal delivery.


And of course this statement that many women prefer caesarean birth is fully referenced *insert sarcasm here*.

Unbelievable. It's like they're not even trying. Like they don't even need to convince anyone of the truth in what they're saying because they hold the status quo. The arrogance is breathtaking.

And lovely to see them again trot out the gem that women are too old, too fat, or too reproductively challenged when they're deciding to have babies - and that's why we have such high levels of intervention in Australia.

Yes of course it is.
Where are they getting this stuff from? Their rear ends??


But what really gets me through both of these submissions? The bleating about how they "support choice" and that women should not be "excluded" from a medical model of care who want it - as if that's ever going to happen .

If I DO want to be excluded from the medical model and birth at home, where is my "choice" as things stand now?

It seems the AMA, the RANZCOG and the ASA are only interested in us having the choices they THEY deem best for us.

No mention of birth trauma in either submission even though they mention PND.

No freaking idea. Mother alive, baby alive. Moving on.

I'm so disgusted and yet so completely unsurprised