Thanks girls, and thanks Alan for the article. I'm off to the city tonight, so will try and get a copy of the book - I know its one of the ones the midwives recommend in my practice. I knew there would be a way to do it, but because you only ever see women on tv flat on their back, it makes it a little hard to envisage how it would work. Even last night on current affairs, tehy had a thing about teh Micheal Odent article, and the images of labour they were showing were from the 80s I reackon, with the woman flat on her back.

thanks again