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thread: Sickness and breastfeeding...

  1. #1
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    Sickness and breastfeeding...

    DD that is. Shes 2 weeks old and has been sick pretty much the whole 2 weeks she has been here. She was delivered by c/section so was a little mucousy for a couple days. Then it seems she caught my cold that I had about 1 week prior to going into hospital. Consisted of quite a yuck nose and a slight cough.

    Anyway, my question is.... I thought breastfeeding was meant to be good for their immune system? She doesnt seem to be getting any better as such but doesnt require a trip to the doctor (yet anyway). Explain to me... please... how breastfeeding is any better than formula feeding for their immune system?

    Thanks

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    Not much time but quickly found this on Kellymom for you Not exactly what I was looking for but has some info. Basically BF is much much better. You are helping her to fight it off with all the good antibodies you're giving her in your milk.

    My baby is sick - should I continue to breastfeed?

    By Kelly Bonyata, IBCLC
    Absolutely! Anytime a sick baby is able to take anything by mouth, it should be his mother's milk. Mom's milk provides antibodies specifically tailored to fight baby's illness, and is quickly and easily digested.
    Temporary weaning, besides depriving baby of antibodies to fight the illness and the most easily digestible food source available, can make life miserable for both mother and baby. Nursing is extremely comforting to an ill baby and a major part of the healing process. Mom would have to pump to maintain milk supply and then there would still be some risk that supply would drop somewhat. Not pumping would put mom at risk for breast infection and extreme discomfort.

    Colds and Congestion
    If baby has a cold and is congested, it can make breastfeeding difficult. However, it is almost always easier for a sick baby to nurse than to take a bottle. If your baby has a stuffy nose and is having a hard time breathing and nursing at the same time, try the following:

    • Keep baby as upright as possible while nursing. At night, try propping up on lots of pillows and nursing/sleeping semi-upright. Also try the Australian position (mom is "down under") - in this position, mom is lying on her back and baby is on top (facing down), tummy to tummy with mom.
    • The best thing you can do to help baby's illness end quickly is to nurse often - that way she gets lots of the antibodies that your body is making to help her fight off the illness. Frequent nursing also helps to ensure that baby is getting plenty of milk (congested babies often nurse for shorter times since it's hard to breathe and nurse at the same time).
    • Use saline drops (or breastmilk) & a rubber suction bulb to clear baby's nose before nursing (if baby won't tolerate the bulb syringe, then the saline drops/breastmilk alone should still help).
      • Put baby on your knees, face up and tilt your knees a little downhill (so baby's head is angled away from you, toward the floor).
      • Put 2-3 drops of saline in each nostril and let it sit for a minute or so.
      • To suction the mucus out, squeeze the bulb part of the syringe first, gently stick the rubber tip into one nostril, then slowly release the bulb.
      • If baby is really congested, you may have to do this several times a day. Do it BEFORE baby nurses; if you do it afterwards your baby may spit up everything she's eaten because syringing can stimulate the gag reflex.
      • To prepare saline drops at home, dissolve one teaspoon of salt in two cups of warm water.

    • Run a vaporizer or humidifier, preferably in a small closed room.
    • Boil a pot of water (some moms use small crock pots/potpourri pots), remove from the stove and add a few drops of essential oil (for example, eucalyptus, sage or balsam), and let the scent permeate the air. This may help relieve some head congestion.
    • Do NOT apply products containing peppermint oil, camphor or menthol on the face (especially in the nose) or chest of a baby or young child. There have been cases where the direct application of menthol or camphor products (for example, Vicks VapoRub™) to baby's skin resulted in severe breathing difficulties or liver problems (see Camphor Hepatoxicity, Camphor Monograph and Menthol Toxicology).
    • Nurse in a steamy bathroom. To pump up the steam, run a really hot shower and set a chair outside the shower for nursing.
    • The US Food & Drug Administration (FDA) and the American Academy of Pediatrics strongly recommend that children under the age of six not be given over-the-counter cough or cold medicines due to the risk of serious and life-threatening side effects. There is also no evidence that over-the-counter cold meds actually benefit children younger than six years old. There are several well controlled studies where there has been no difference shown between children given medication and those who have not.

    Sometimes moms are advised to limit or discontinue breastfeeding because milk increases mucus production. This is not good advice for two reasons:

    1. You are not a cow and your milk is not a dairy product. So even if dairy is a problem, your milk would not be.
    2. In addition, there is no scientific evidence that cow's milk results in the production of more mucus unless you are allergic to dairy products. See this page for more info.

    Baby refuses to nurse when sick

    Some babies may refuse to nurse when sick (particularly if something like a sore throat or pressure from an ear infection makes nursing painful for baby). If this happens, try different nursing positions - particularly those where baby is upright - and keep offering to nurse at least every hour or so. See also: What to do about a nursing strike. Rest assured that your baby will return to nursing when he feels better. Here are some things to try if baby is too uncomfortable to nurse:

    • feed baby expressed milk from a cup, dropper, spoon or syringe
    • try momsicles, or freeze your milk until it's slushy and let baby eat it with a spoon
    • for older babies (over six months) who are eating solids: if baby will take solids but not nurse, add lots of breastmilk to the solids. You might also try making yogurt from breastmilk.


    Vomiting and Diarrhea
    Another time when moms can be unsure about whether to continue nursing is when baby has diarrhea or is vomiting. Frequent and loose stools in a breastfed baby is not necessarily diarrhea. Here is more information on normal stooling patterns for breastfed babies: What Are Baby's Stools Supposed to Look Like? Diarrhea in a breastfed baby is diagnosed when a baby has 12-16 stools per day (or more often than the baby's regular stool frequency), watery stools, and an offensive odor to the stools. Just one of these symptoms does not in itself mean the baby has diarrhea.
    The current recommendations when vomiting or diarrhea is present in the breastfed child are as follows:

    • Breastfeeding should be the FIRST choice if your child can take anything by mouth. Because of the ease and rapidity with which breastmilk is digested, even if your child vomits or stools shortly after nursing, he will still have retained some of the nutrients. Other foods that are often suggested (such as Pedialyte, sports drinks, gelatins and sodas) offer little nutritional value and none of the antibodies that human milk contains.
    • When your breastfed child is ill you'll want to offer more frequent feedings -- this can limit the volume taken in at one time and helps to comfort and soothe a sick child. If your child is vomiting often and not keeping the milk down for long, it may be helpful to breastfeed frequently but limit the length of each nursing session (so your child takes in less milk at once). Another option is for Mom to express some milk before breastfeeding so that the milk flow is slower. RARELY does the baby who is allowed to breastfeed at will during a vomiting or diarrhea illness become dehydrated.

    The use of an oral rehydration therapy such as Pedialyte is a sound recommendation for a formula-fed infant who is vomiting or who has diarrhea, but using this in place of breastmilk offers no benefit to the breastfed baby. Human milk is a natural fluid, unlike formula and other milk products, that again is easily and rapidly digested.

    Forego the Pedialyte as long as baby continues to nurse well and as long as there are no signs of dehydration. If baby is showing signs of dehydration, talk to your doctor. Following are signs of dehydration:

    • fewer than 2 wet diapers in a 24-hour period
    • baby not behaving normally (more irritable, less active, sleeping more)
    • lethargy
    • listlessness
    • weak cry
    • no tears (in an infant older than 3 months)
    • dry mouth
    • skin that stays wrinkly-looking when pinched (pull up the skin on the front of the hand; it should pop easily back into place - not stay pinched or wrinkly-looking)
    • eyes that look sunken
    • cool, clammy extremities, especially the fingers and toes
    • fast breathing, or a heart that is beating faster than usual
    • fever

    Babies who are allowed to continue breastfeeding through an illness such as this are less likely to become dehydrated than those who are taken off the breast. Continued nursing also provides your child with precious antibodies that will prevent the illness from worsening and speed healing. Nursing is also very comforting to your child, which is healing in itself.
    Breastfed babies sometimes need oral rehydration therapy (Pedialyte, etc), though far less often than artificially fed infants. The World Health Organization recommends continuing to breastfeed during and after oral rehydration therapy. Research shows that babies lose more weight and actually have more stools during diarrhea when they are deprived of breastmilk.
    Sometimes moms are recommended to withhold breastmilk "because it is a dairy product." Breastmilk is NOT considered a dairy or milk product (mom is not a cow!).

    Anytime there is diarrhea (in adults as well as babies) it can take a while for the bowel to heal and the stools to get back to normal. So even if you identify the problem and take corrective action, you may not see favorable results for a few weeks. This is because if the bowel gets irritated it is harder for the bowel to digest lactose - the undigested lactose then actually creates more irritation and runny stools... it can be tough to turn around at times. There is usually an inflammatory response with diarrhea - that is the part that takes time to heal. When the cause of the problem is removed (when baby recovers from the illness), the gut will heal even if the baby is still fed breastmilk. More here on secondary lactose intolerance.

    Breastmilk vs. Pedialyte
    When baby is sick, moms are sometimes told to discontinue or restrict breastfeeding and substitute an oral rehydration therapy such as Pedialyte. This outdated practice has been shown to offer no benefits to the breastfed baby, and can even delay healing.
    Your milk has four things that your baby needs even more than usual when he's sick:

    1. Antibodies to fight this illness - you want baby to get as much of these as possible. Encourage *more* nursing rather than less. Pedialyte has no antibodies.
    2. Liquids to keep baby hydrated. Your baby may not be eating as much because he doesn't feel well. Sick babies are more likely to nurse than to take anything else by mouth, so nursing is important to keep baby hydrated. Keeping baby well hydrated also helps keep the mucus secretions thinned out if baby has a cold or other congestion. So again, you want to nurse *more*. Pedialyte will keep baby hydrated, but so will breastmilk.
    3. Concentrated nutrients. Breastmilk is easily and quickly digested, so baby gets more nutrients and absorbs them faster. Pedialyte will keep baby hydrated but has little nutritional value. Again, it's best to nurse *more* since baby may not be eating as much if he feels bad.
    4. Comfort. Sick babies need more comforting - what better way to do this than at the breast?





    See the section above for more information on the use of Pedialyte in breastfed babies - Breastfed babies sometimes do need oral rehydration therapy (Pedialyte, etc), though far less often than artificially fed infants. The World Health Organization recommends continuing to breastfeed during and after oral rehydration therapy.
    Last edited by Heaven; October 2nd, 2011 at 09:08 AM.

  3. #3
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    Oh poor little thing. Sounds exactly like my dd. She caught a cold off her brothers at about a week old and we had quite a rough start with her. Hope bub is on the mend for you soon.

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    Breastfeeding isn't necessarily a cure, don't forget. There are TONNES of benefits for a babies immune system over formula. Babies immune systems are still very underdeveloped when they are born, and through breastfeeding you are passing on antibodies through your milk...so, if your DD has indeed caught your cold, you're actually giving her antibodies to fight that illness through your milk, something that cannot be replicated with formula. There have been countless studies proving a significant difference between breastfed and formula fed babies overall health, BF babies are at a far lesser risk of so many things, including ear infections, respiratory issues, childhood diabetes, SIDS...the list goes on For me though I think the coolest part is the antibodies...your little girl will be a lot more resistant to that strain of cold in the future.

    This thread has a list of ingredients in breastmilk and formula: https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...s-list-135298/

    My DD had a cold that just would budge when she was littler, it was awful. Do you use Fess or similar and suction the snot out? Often the mucous will drop from the back of the nose to the throat and lungs, which doesn't help in getting rid of the cold, although DD HATED the suction bulb, she eventually got better I hope your DD does soon too, it makes life very stressful when they're sick

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    Thanks heaven! that was a great read!!

    I have been using the snot sucker and getting tonnes and tonnes of gunk out. She doesnt seem to mind it either, thank goodness. Shes a pretty easy going kid. I dont have any fess left though and no where to buy it here but I might try the BM and see if it helps. I have propped her mattress up a touch in her bassinet and it seems to help. Lastnight though she slept next to me all night, propped up on a pillow. Well when she slept.. lol.

    I just didnt think I would be dealing with this being breastfed and all. I thought she would have gotten enough antibodies early on to stop her from catching anything.. I was worng I know its not a cure but more of a preventative. Thought it might have been just me and I had dodgy milk or something lol. (ramblings from a sleep deprived mother much?!)

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    Jul 2009
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    I think i read somewhere or was told by a doctor/midwife that your baby will naturally have your immunity for up to 4 months of their life. I didn't BF my DD at all she was strictly FF and she didn't get her first cold until 8 or 9 months i think it was. And not having a stab at BF mothers but a close friend of mine whose DD is 5 months younger than my DD was BF for 6 months and she always had a cold/cough.

    So i too don't see how BF is better than FF in regards to immunity... Though my DD has been SICKER by that she doesn't get over it as quickly but i find my friends DD is frequently sick.

    I say stick to what you are doing as it will be doing good for your DD but if she doesn't seem to be improving i would see your GP. poor bubba must be awful to be so young and be sick.

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    Thank you LMS Its nice to have opinions from the other side of the fence DD1 was comp fed for the first 6 weeks and then FF from then on.. and I dont remember her getting sick so early!

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    LMS, I don't think that's correct.
    BAbies get antibodies from their mothers - that's immunity to whatever mother has antibodies for. It's not 100% for many things though, especially colds where the virus mutates so readily. However, there is no other way for babies to get immunity in this way when so young, as their immune systems are so immature. As they get older and their immune system matures, they will develop their own immunity to whatever infections they fight off.
    There are lots of factors involved when we think about frequency & duration of illness - exposure is a big one. With an older sibling, your baby is much more likely to be exposed to seasonal bugs (and the time of year will be a factor here too). Your antibodies will be doing a sterling job of helping your little one fight off infection, however, and she would not be getting this at all if fully formula fed.
    My DS didn't get his first cold till 11 mnths. My daughter has had several and other viruses as well through this winter - it was a bad one this year, I think, and DS was in daycare so unfortunately she copped it. She didn't ever get as sick as DS, however, and I'm sure that's down to the antibodies she was receiving.

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    Great help from Heaven as usual DD1 was BF until she self weaned at 9 months, She never got a single cold until she was 14 months (First week of Day care actually). I like to think that BF had something to do with that but I just think each baby and what they are exposed to is different. DD2 gets sick much more but that is mainly because DD1 gets things from DC.
    Have to agree with MadB about having older siblings.
    I hope your little girl gets better real soon.

    Not what you asked but I thought I would add this for you.
    When SIL DD was had a bad cold at 4 weeks of age, we would constantly take turns at laying her on a towel on her belly across our laps and pat her back like playing gentle bongos, she would often bring up alot of mucus that way. I also used the BM in DD2 nose when she was younger and had a bit of a blocked nose and it always helped.
    Last edited by Kazzo; October 2nd, 2011 at 10:57 AM. : saw Madb post

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    MM you are doing a fabulous job!! Your milk is awesome It's so hard when they're sick so young. Hang in there.

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    I think what MadB explains it perfectly. My DS1 was fully FF from 4 weeks too but never got sick till daycare either but he didn't have other influences in his life that could bring in the nasties, where as DS2 not an overly sick child but would get what was going around cos DS1 by this stage was in school etc. I think you also need to factor in the time of year and whether you do MG or things like that where other influences come into play. There is absolutely no question BM is much better for a bub.

    Kazzo my Aunt used to do the bongo's on my nephew's back when his asthma was bad, it really helped in loosening up the mucus on the chest.

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    I read something once but can't remember where. In essence it explained that they receive antibodies via BM, but only ones for illnesses that you have already had or been immunised against.
    Colds and viruses mutate all the time so the strain you have isn't the same as ones you have previously had. You are affected by a cold/virus because your body has no immunity to it, therefore neither does she via your milk. Once your body has fought it off, then the immunity to the strain is there and that will pass on to her.
    This is the reason why there is a new flu needle every year because of the new strains of the virus that develop constantly.

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    A doctor told me that they'll still get colds etc when BF'd, it's just that it's much less likely to become bacterial and require antibiotics.
    For my 2c worth, DS1 never got sick as a baby (he didn't start daycare till he was 12 months) ... DS2, on the other hand, had colds from about 4 months of age - thanks to his big brother bringing the germs home from daycare and/or when the weather turned cooler.

    Keep up the great work you're doing MM - hope your DD is better soon.

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    Hi,

    You sound like you've got a lot on your plate. Producing a new baby is hard work, as is meeting their constant needs and the needs of other children after the birth, at a time when you need to take time to let your body heal. It is understandable to feel a little "ripped off" when your breastfed newborn is unwell. But the research is solid. Artificially fed babies are ill more often and more seriously, and become dehydrated more often and require hospitalisation more often.
    so, how does this work?
    Breastmilk is a living substance, full of white blood cells. These white blood cells actually kill germs that they they come in contact with. colostrum, the first milk, is packed with immunoglobulin A (IgA). This coats the baby's gut preventing germs or allergens getting in to the immature gut.Mature milk also contains IgA.
    A baby's immune system is very immature at birth, and babies are particularly vulnerable. Immunity is passed to the baby via the placenta, but this protection gradually reduces over the first 6 mnths. Breastmilk helps plug the gap until the baby's immune system is able to function more fully. when the baby comes in contact with germs, the mother makes antibodies to that germ, so her baby is protected.
    Even if these systems don't mean that a baby will never ever get ill (it doesn't work like that) it is important to consider that breastfed babies get less seriously ill and rarely get dehydrated.
    When we notice our bottlefed children are not sick very and you hear of a breastfed baby that is sick, that's an interesting observation, but it's not research. I think it's important that we share this information openly so that new mothers have access to good information.

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    The best thing I ever read was "your breatsmilkmis perfect for your baby.". I think bfing is all about trust. We trust Nouri bdies to make milk and trust our babies to take the right amount of milk they need from the breast. I am so interested in what Barb has shared above and just think that breastmilk is the most amazing substance. Formula is cool too as it feeds our little ones but come on-my body makes breastmilk itself. How cool is that???

    I'm sorry your dd has a cold Hun, sick kids are awful, sick babies are even worse. The antibody and bfing argument aside, I bet your dd is finding such co
    Fort in nursing from you too.

    I'm on my phone so sorry for typos

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    Something I read, and really hope is true because it's such a cool fact, was that your body starts making milk with the right antibodies as soon as baby's "sick" saliva comes in contact with your nipple Like I said, I'm not completely sure if that's true, but I hope it is!


    Sent from my iPhone so forgive the speelung misstacks

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    Of course BF babies can still get sick, but I think a good way to look at it is, imagine how much sicker they could be if they weren't BF. All babies are different as previous posters have said some will be more prone to illness BF or FF.

    TeniBear I read that too, and there's no way Formula can replicate that.

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    You can make up a saline solution and put it in the fess bottle - around 1tsp of salt to 200 ml of boiled water should do it. Shake really well, let any debris settle and use the clear part.

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