I have 4 children the middle two a 7 and 8 both boys and are turning into little ..... from the moment they open ther eyes we here yelling cody stop annoying me, luke dont talk ect ect they refuse no matter what I do to clean thier room, if they do do it they put all under the bed, wont take resposibility for their stuff and bed time is a nightmare 3 hrs of fighting with eachother before they go to sleep, I have tried taking things away talking to them a rewards system but it just doesnt change, I am ready to throttle the both of them, the do the samr to DH as well, It makes it worse DH changed jobs and now works nights, got home at 7 this morning and couldnt go to bed as they were really bad this morning, I dont want ds 3 thinking it is ok to do this when he is older, I said to them when I dropped them off at school today when they come home they are going straight to their room no tv no playing ect they can come out for tea and straight back to their room, thinking of doing it for a week any suggestions appreciated.,