So she's not really 15kg...

**Rivlas** · July 4th, 2011, 03:39 PM

I just remembered another thing the hospital told us, yes, we had a few of these. Because she had so much trouble going her brain told her that is was a 'bad' thing and not to go. Once the mind set was broken we didn't have as many issues. Kiwi fruit is really high in fibre so a couple each day does help just be sure they are quite soft.

If you have any vasaline smear it around the bottom and inside as that will help the movement once it starts as it softens the area.

Great fun, hey.

**Pandora** · July 4th, 2011, 03:42 PM

I do remember one thing my cousin had to eat was plain popcorn, really high in fibre.

A lot of kids get it from a diet high in processed food (jamies school lunches spoke about this in the series) BUT there are other things that can cause it too.

MIL has a friend who is a pediatric gastroenterlogy researcher. I will see if she has some good links for online info

**Taurean** · July 4th, 2011, 03:45 PM

Taurean - I would say its already psychological for her cos she's been telling me she's not going to push when I ask her if she feels like a poo.

Sounds like it hon. Bugger. I know all about it so if you ever want to vent, poo issues are a massive part of our lives so sing out.

Yup, it's just over the counter. It tastes quite nice, like a milky chocolate/vanilla drink. She may just take it out of a medicine cup - shoot it like her prune juice

If not, whack it in some milk and she won't even know it's there. It is really good stuff though but give it a day or two before you expect it to work. It may be happen quickly but don't be disheartened if it doesn't. It will work sooner rather than later and it's very gentle on them.

The other thing is when they have a blockage, extra fibre really makes things worse so don't go overboard on the fibre. Just stick to her usual diet but give her one of the high fibre fruits as one of her servings for that days (so some prunes, the pureed apples, a pear, etc). Fibre bulks poos up so when they have a blockage, it only makes the poo bulkier and therefore harder to pass. If they're pooing 'normally' (I use the term loosely as I realise 'normal' is different for everyone, kids included), fibre is great to give them more formed stools but too much of it is not good when they're blocked up.

Don't feel bad at all, this is not your fault! It took three trips to the doctors (over 4 months) before we realised DD has fissures and although the fissures were treated easily with laser (at my physio), the damage in her little head had already been done. I'm still considering taking her to her Paed to see what else we can do, especially given it'll be a year since our issues started this November. It's such a mind game for her, most of the time her poos are soft but she's just too scared to do them. If she goes a day without a poo, it gets a bit harder but in the 7 months of issues, she's only had a couple of actual hard poos but lots of really big ones, due to holding on for too long.

It's so frustrating and heartbreaking.

It's such a common occurrence in kids and sadly some of them are just more susceptible to issues than others. One of the girls in my MG is going through poo issues now after 20 months of normal poos and I have two other friends whose boys issues started around the same time as DD's. We trade notes frequently

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**MrsFabuloso** · July 4th, 2011, 04:19 PM

Just a thought....maybe a cup of booby juice might help? Wouldn't hurt her that's for sure! But that's only if you can manage expressing that amount. I know I couldn't do it each day!

Also dried apricots and sultanas.

What about some benefibre (or similar) to put into her food once she does start going. Not sure if it's reccommended for children so young though, you'd have to ask a pharmasist!

**Just Me** · July 4th, 2011, 04:36 PM

We have used both parachoc and prune juice with DD1 when she had issues.

How long have you been giving her the prune juice? It is not an instant fix, it took about a day before it worked with DD1 and got things moving again.

The parachoc took about the same time. And the only other thing to know with the parachoc is that she can't lie down or go to sleep for about 2 hours after she has it because the paraffin (active ingredient) can be inhaled in the lungs and cause serious breathing issues. If you know about that and follow the directions though it should be fine. I tend to steer clear of it because it kind of freaks me out that for two hours she can't lie down.

**peanutter** · July 4th, 2011, 06:09 PM

friends of ours had this with their little girl, and they were told to sprinkle bran on anything she was likely to eat or drink, get the prunes and prune juice happening, and they ended up having to give her Duflex (or Lactulose, whatever they call it these days) and Senacot (came in these little tins with crunchy chocolate-y little twigs, not the pills).

it was a long term thing for their little girl, but they got there

good luck!

**Sopdet** · July 4th, 2011, 06:43 PM

Poor bubba

mum - you're not a bad mummy!!!!!!

ok a strange and bizarre thing that is totally out there, but may help a bit, you can get lubricant specifically designed for anal sex (yes I can imagine you sending your DH into a sex shop to get it), it has a bit of local in it to "numb" the area. Unsure if you can use it for Little-Miss-No-Poo because of her age, but I know that you can get something similar at the chemist (a lubricant/cream type thing with local in it). I did say it was strange and bizarre

I'm just thinking this might help mildly numb the area so that the physical act of pushing doesn't hurt as much.

**SunnyRain** · July 4th, 2011, 06:54 PM

Benefibre helped me when I was constipated all through my pregnancy.

My friend's baby has poop issues and she swears eating pawpaw is the best thing for constipation. You could try putting pawpaw ointment around the other end, too.

I hope you get some movement soon, 1kg of poo sounds painful.

Sent from my Desire HD

**Jellybean29** · July 4th, 2011, 06:55 PM

Coffee always gets my bowels moving quickly, but probably not suitable

Could you maybe set up a reward system for her going, to get over the initial fear? .... just throwing ideas out there hun.

I tried everything to get my bowels working after my c-section, 50% was fear to push, 50% was bowels not moving.. so could be a bit of both for your darling too.

**jesses_girl** · July 4th, 2011, 07:16 PM

How'd she go today? Ds had some problems too.. it def sucks. 1kg sounds painful for the poor little darling.

**peanutter** · July 4th, 2011, 07:18 PM

Good lateral thinking, Sopdet. Would there be any concern that she might push too hard though, and then get hurt? Don't know if it's an answerable Q ...

But using something lubricating/moisturising would be an idea in any rate, to avoid any little anal fissures or other cracks or ouchies...

**Charlotte91** · July 4th, 2011, 07:22 PM

No movement at the station yet??? Poor little thing. How old is she??

**Arimeh** · July 4th, 2011, 07:29 PM

She did a poo today - nuggets first then a bit of soft stuff. She came up to while I was eating dinner and said "muuuuum, a poo fell out my bum"

So we had some movement but we need lots more, and that's her problem, she's not pooing enough lol

Sopdet - haha yeah can you imagine my DH doing that? He'd get all embarrassed! Lol I have some numbing stuff I use on my own bum when I have issues, but I dont think I can use it on her?

She's 3 next month.

**Amity** · July 4th, 2011, 07:36 PM

My DS1 was on parachoc for over a year. He had serious poo issues. Parachoc is a godsend. Use it every day for at least a month. It's a stool softener with some lubricant. It makes the poo "slip" out easier IYKWIM. It takes about 3 days to help things along, but ensure you use it continuously until all the blockages are out. And for at least 3 weeks after that. It takes that long for children of her age to "forget" that poo is painful.

Best wishes.

**Sopdet** · July 4th, 2011, 07:36 PM

She did a poo today - nuggets first then a bit of soft stuff. She came up to while I was eating dinner and said "muuuuum, a poo fell out my bum"

So we had some movement but we need lots more, and that's her problem, she's not pooing enough lol

Sopdet - haha yeah can you imagine my DH doing that? He'd get all embarrassed! Lol I have some numbing stuff I use on my own bum when I have issues, but I dont think I can use it on her?

She's 3 next month.

Yah for some movement!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe ask the chemist about the numbing stuff you have - it isn't like you've got to really numb it, just take the edge off the potential pain. But maybe any type of lubricanty stuff could work to help ease the journey of the poop.