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    Are we born neurotic?

    Just got this in my inbox, thought I would share it.

    A distinguished American psychotherapist has said that no one, as far as we know, is born neurotic. We learn to become neurotic as a result of our upbringing. We are raised by other human beings and they literally teach us to become neurotic.

    If a child is raised to believe that intelligence and beauty are worthwhile traits, and that he is bright and handsome, well, he will tend to look upon himself as "good" and to have a favorable self-concept. But if he is raised to believe that he is stupid and ugly, he will tend to look upon himself as "bad" and to have a poor self-concept.

    Our early self-concepts depend upon the concepts that others have toward us. If those who are important in the life of a child generally blame him, he will learn to blame himself; if they consistently accept him, he will learn to accept himself. That does not mean that the self-concept a child first learns is absolutely final and crucial; he can, later in life, change it for better or worse. But it's hard. And this early self-concept is most important, and it does tend to set the pattern for later attitudes and behavior.

    I read somewhere that self-confidence is like a psychological credit card. And I can still remember my mother telling me that I could do anything I set my heart upon. To tell a youngster he or she is great is to give him the kind of self-image he needs to build a meaningful life for himself. Youngsters will discover their limitations, their blind spots, the areas in which they have little or no aptitude, soon enough without our help. Self confidence is a kind of psychological credit card and is of far greater value than any other we can carry. When we see someone who is neurotic, it should elicit our sympathy in the realization that the person was not born that way...he was taught to be neurotic by his elders. Neuroses are like chains that are put on children to hinder them in their development and activities.

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    I think it really does depend. I think we should all parent thinking that we can impact on our children both negatively and positively by the examples we give and by our attitudes to life, let alone the time we spend with our children or the way we speak to them.

    However I look at my own child hood and I cannot tell you how I managed to come out mostly unscathed, going by this article I should be an absolute basket case. And I've also seen children grow up in healthy happy families who come out slightly more sensitive or neurotic than other siblings. So whilst I do think we can impact on our children I think personality does also play some part in how we develop.

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    YaY! Some hope it's not just me damaging my own kids then
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    Oh PUHLEASE! Thats all I'll say to that... :P

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    I think it is a combo of both the personality that your are born with and how you are raised. I certainly carry some damage from my mothers upbringing and so do my siblings. We all have led different lives though, 3 of us turned out fine, in fact my sister turned out very well and 1, well the less said about him the better.

    I think it is a matter of tailoring parenting to the personality traits of the child.

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    I like the principles of the article re letting your child feel like they are wonderful, bright, and warmly accepted, and that they are free from an upbringing of shame, criticism, blame etc. I have worked with some emotionally traumatised kids and it is just terrible when parents scape-goat their kids

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    Hmmm, interesting. I agree with Astrid: personality does have a big role too, and a large part of personality is temperament. Within my three children i can see different "foibles" emerging that are totally independant to my parenting. My 3yo for example is almost "neurotic" when it comes to stepping in an unseen puddle of water on the floor. If he has no shoes on and his feet get wet he just looses the plot! No ammount of soothing and chanting "it doesn't matter darl" will change his "ways" ... this is just one of his foibles. He never gets in trouble if he spills liquid, i have almost overcompensated regarding this issue. I don't know if this is a good example... however he is a very 'particular' child... oh maybe it is my fault afterall! LOL I can be 'particular' too!

    But I do like the overall message of the article it's basically saying, I think, that if you demonstrate unconditional love then your children will thrive.

    I too should be a basket case LOL and somedays i think i AM! But yes, when you reach adulthood you do have to let go of the parental blame thing and work hard at trying to heal. As always i try to turn a negative into a positive: i tell myself that it was because of my harsh upbringing that I am resilient... and have empathy for people who have also had hard childhoods. The hardest thing for me persoanlly is to not (somedays) resent my children for the love and understanding that they are receiving that i didn't receive myself... this usually happens only when they are being (what I feel is) totally unreasonable! But I guess that's their job hey? To test and push boundaries!

    Anyhow, I really enjoy reading this kinda thing, thanks Kel.

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    I think that environment plays a big part - a child who is constantly told he is stupid or naughty or so forth will have to believe it's true - because that's how kids learn. But the temperament of the child determines how they will react to the negative or positive influences, and whether they have the ability to overcome the negatives as they grow up and become more able to question and analyse. Surely, any child raised in a loving environment is getting the best possible start in life. And these children will for the most part have the self-confidence and self-worth to cope with the times when mum or dad is angry and/or makes parenting mistakes. It is the foundation that is important, not the individual bricks.

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    ah I disagree, I'm pretty sure both my children were born neurotic LOL j/k

    Okay... in the world of dog behaviour, their "temperment" or personality is dependant on 3 factors.
    1) what happened the first 6 weeks of their lives
    2) what is happening in the environment they are in
    3) what their genetic temperment is like, so parents, breeds etc etc

    So.. if you relate that to babies, maybe? Maybe they are only born 1/3 neurotic. hehehe....

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    what a good thread,
    i blame a fair bit of my lack of self esteem towards my family. in the early years of my life i was put down alot, they say it was just normal teasing, but i was the only one who copped it and i felt like the odd one out. i am the youngest of three sisters with a younger brother and i always felt left out, i often ask them if i started out being weird first, or if i became weird because i felt left out. no one can answer that for me and i was too young to remember, i just know how i feel now.
    i can appear to have lots of confidence, but i am basically a neurotic freak who then analysis everything later.
    like now.. having second thoughts about this post.......

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    thanks bathsheba!
    i was half joking, but i do get like that sometimes. i agree alot of it is personality and how we each deal with our surroundings. i got into a bit of the mind, body, spirit idea. The body is our genetics, the spirit our essence and the mind is the results of the combination of the other two as well as outer influences like what we are talking about. I feel like a bit of my spirit was broken and i have to try hard to get it back to what it should be before they messed me up. i seem fine when i am not around them and their "teasing"
    my sis once said 'i guess we didn't realise the effect it would have on you, it was just fun for us to pick on you all the time."
    i have found people who accept me for who i am and love me unconditionally, that is what is important.

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    I agree it's a bit of both.

    Interestingly tho, I saw? read? something about being too positive and praising too much. It showed kids who were told how clever they were etc etc.. and these ones tended to not try as hard at new things.. whereas if you simply applaud the effort then they are more likely to put effort into new things, coz they don't have the pressure of living up to their 'clever' title. (just an interesting side point ) As with everything, balance is the key.

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    Liz, I think this is the sort of thing you were thinking of - this is from the Mental Health Foundation of Australia "Resilliency Resource Centre" website:

    Self-esteem refers to a person's subjective evaluation of their own worth: put simply, it is how good a person feels about him or herself. During the 1970's and 80's the fostering of self-esteem was seen to be of great benefit in and of itself. Teachers and parents were encouraged to offer every child unconditional praise and to refrain from any criticism or 'negativity' which might damage a child's self-esteem. A lack of self-esteem was blamed for all kinds of problems, and high self-esteem was regarded as almost synonymous with good functioning and mental health.

    Recently, however, this view of self-esteem as the panacea for all psychological ills has begun to be questioned. For example, a major review of the self-esteem literature found that many of the expected negative consequences of low self-esteem were not supported by the research (Mecca & Smelser, 1989). Evidence also began to accrue of the potentially harmful effects of excessively high self-esteem, for example an association between inflated self-esteem and violence. Researchers also began to find children and adolescents whose self-esteem was inflated beyond their actual achievements and abilities. These children had been raised on a diet of unconditional praise dissociated from real accomplishment, with the result that they felt good about themselves, but for no reason other than that they had repeatedly been told how unique, valuable and exceptional they were.

    Critics of the self-esteem movement have pointed out that a high opinion of one's own importance and worth is actually a characteristic of antisocial personality types, who are capable of committing all kinds of offences against others without it dinting their own high opinion of themselves. Self-esteem proponents have responded by arguing that there is a distinction between true, or 'authentic' self-esteem and false, or 'inauthentic', self-esteem. According to this view, people such as sociopaths who exhibit a delusionally high self-regard in fact have a cripplingly low self-esteem, which they conceal beneath a veneer of strutting bravado. However, this argument makes the whole concept of self-esteem very difficult to test and, some have suggested, meaningless.

    These criticisms have led to a reappraisal of the concept of self-esteem and its role in mental health.

    Resiliency and self-esteem
    Resiliency is not based on a high self-esteem that is disconnected from one's behaviour and achievements. Whilst resilient children view themselves as lovable and worthy of respect and care, this self-esteem is grounded in values of respect for others, a desire to contribute, and experiences of mastery and competence. Rather than viewing self-esteem as a necessary precondition for success, researchers are increasingly viewing it as the natural outcome of experiences of competence and contribution. By achieving important goals, and through being involved in meaningful contribution to their family, school and community, children develop a healthy sense of competence and self-regard.

    Rather than emphasising the importance of liking oneself and bombarding children with messages of personal 'specialness', the resiliency approach suggests emphasising goal-setting, problem-solving, achievement and participation in altruistic activities. The self-esteem that develops from this approach is grounded in a prosocial value system, a realistic sense of oneself and one's capacities, and an awareness of personal responsibility.

    A narcissistic, unrealistic self-esteem does not convey resilience because it is unsupported by reality. This inflated self-esteem either needs to be aggressively defended against threats because of its inherent fragility - leading to antisocial behaviour - or it is likely to be deflated by life's hard knocks, resulting in disillusionment and depression.


    Fostering healthy self-esteem

    Despite the caution against an excessive focus on self-esteem for its own sake, it is important to mental health for children to like themselves and view themselves as loveable and worthy of respect. The following are some tips for promoting healthy self-esteem in young people:

    • Focus on strengths rather than deficiencies.
    • Refrain from harsh criticism, sarcasm and put-downs.
    • Provide plenty of encouragement, support and affection..
    • Foster social contact and participation.
    • Encourage giving and altruistic behaviour.
    • Show acceptance of children's faults and failings, and encourage them to do likewise.
    • Teach and model respect and concern for others.
    • Entrust children with age-appropriate responsibilities.
    • Allow time to listen to children's feelings without criticising, judging or moving straight into problem-solving.
    • Be involved in children's lives and activities.
    • Encourage persistence in the face of obstacles, and help children bounce back from failures by reminding them of their successes.
    • Involve children in setting rules and boundaries.

    It goes on to talk about self-efficacy and locus of control but I didn't want to over-quote.

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    What a brilliant article rory! I've heard of the theory but never read anything so detailed. I agree totally BTW

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    Bath when I drop by tomorrow I will lend you my book about raising optimistic children - you need it before I will

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    Yeah - great article Rory!

    One thing I can't stand (and you funnily enough see it on Big Brother and other shows LOL) is people who say "well that's who I am, if they don't like it, too bad.. I'm not changing for anyone'. Ugh. No one asks you to change who you are, but showing respect for other people's feelings/boundaries/likes/dislikes etc is a very important quality. To say stuff like that is the wrong kind of self esteem IMO.

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    Totally agree Liz! Totally agree!!!! And you know whats funny, its often the people that say that who really at the core aren't happy with who they are.

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