Homebirth General Discussion #1

[Smoke Jaguar]

I know of only one in Melbourne. Lucky for me I'm friends with his nephew!!

[lucyinthesky]

I know of only one in Melbourne. Lucky for me I'm friends with his nephew!!

I've read elsewhere that not even he will be signing collaboration agreements due to concerns about litigation and his insurance.

Writing letters to the independent senators seems to be the only hope we have for now, then going underground

yes we have regressed at least 50 years backwards. well done Australia!

[lucyinthesky]

Hi everyone,

Just keeping you all posted on the twins.

I had a hind water leak on the 4th went to the chiropractor and she said that twin A was very engaged and my pubic symphsis had separated by 1 cm and my sacroilliac had soften and flattened I went into labour and laboured for 11 hours only to have the labour stop dead at 3 am. It would have been a lovely birth if it had happened. I am now on day three post hind water leak hoping that tonight is the night.

DD is a nightmare she knows that something is going on, but not what and as a result she is so grumpy and angry with everything. She clings to Daddy like he is going to leave her alone and we don't know what to do, but at the same time we know she will be fine once this is over and a sembalance of normalacy returns to our house.

sending you labour vibes! hope it happens soon for you

[lucyinthesky]

I forgot to add that IMs would still have to magic up some insurance too if they could even GET a GP/OB to sign an agreement - the exemption will still need to be passed state by state and even then will be for the birth only not the pre & postnatal care, and as we know its the continuity of care that makes one to one midwifery the gold standard of care.

[Tegam]

happy birthing vibes bimboo

[Tegam]

note i used green, didnt want to play fav and go with blue or green!

[fourthontheway]

My goodness Tegam! I've ALREADY forgotten my history

Yes, it is a very very sad time for women and babies. And it's so dangerous to allow these powerful medical unions so much power. The thing that gets me is the number of women in they hospital maternity system who think this doesn't effect them ... OH YES IT DOES! Birth centres will be next on the list, vbac will vanish, inductions and surgery will keep sky rocketing, and so on and so forth, this law impinges upon every woman because it sets a precedent. It's a dark day in our history

That's so exciting that your twins are threatening to arrive!!!! May you have the most wonderful birth xxxx

[lucyinthesky]

Yes, it is a very very sad time for women and babies. And it's so dangerous to allow these powerful medical unions so much power. The thing that gets me is the number of women in they hospital maternity system who think this doesn't effect them ... OH YES IT DOES! Birth centres will be next on the list, vbac will vanish, inductions and surgery will keep sky rocketing, and so on and so forth, this law impinges upon every woman because it sets a precedent. It's a dark day in our history

And they're waging a war against freebirthers too with not issuing birth certs so they will effectively stamp that out leaving a hospital only "choice" for all women

[Tegam]

And they're waging a war against freebirthers too with not issuing birth certs so they will effectively stamp that out leaving a hospital only "choice" for all women

What? I havent heard this? My MW didnt make the birth. 10mins from 1st feeling to baby out. If/when we have another baby, it will be a whereever i am birth, so how will they deny me a birth cert. They wont know i planned the birth at home? Not if we book into hospitals, like most homebirther do anyway as back up!

[easterbub09]

yah happy birthing vibes bimboo hope to hear the fab news very very soon!!

very sad re the travesty that has occured for australian women, all we can do now is try and spread the word and educate those around us so that we can all work against this new legislation!

i believe feb 18th is going to be national day of action with rallies in every state so lets try and have the biggest turn out possible and see if we cant have some input!

Hear us loud and hear us proud we want our birth choice back!!!!

[lucyinthesky]

What? I havent heard this? My MW didnt make the birth. 10mins from 1st feeling to baby out. If/when we have another baby, it will be a whereever i am birth, so how will they deny me a birth cert. They wont know i planned the birth at home? Not if we book into hospitals, like most homebirther do anyway as back up!

I have heard NSW BDM are being VERY difficult with freebirthers - to the point that they are refusing to issue even with stat decs from parents and a letter from a GP stating that they saw the woman during pregnancy, to the point where the parents were advised to get a solicitor. I have heard that they are now starting to do the same with MW homebirths and "losing" paperwork both in QLD and NSW (even paperwork that was sent registered mail)

[lucyinthesky]

yah happy birthing vibes bimboo hope to hear the fab news very very soon!!

very sad re the travesty that has occured for australian women, all we can do now is try and spread the word and educate those around us so that we can all work against this new legislation!

i believe feb 18th is going to be national day of action with rallies in every state so lets try and have the biggest turn out possible and see if we cant have some input!

Hear us loud and hear us proud we want our birth choice back!!!!

spread the word, I had heard that 18 Feb was only in VIC or something would love to protest (again) I am one very angry woman at the moment - how dare they tell me how I'm "allowed" to use MY BODY.

I had a dream they made cosleeping illegal too - woke up very distressed!

[Alan]

I have had paperwork “go missing” on 2 occasions in the past 6 months.

[Tegam]

Sorry alan dont mean to be S.....L......O....W (i blame it on sleep) but what do you mean by 'paper work go missing'?

[fourthontheway]

Birth registration papers "going missing" or not being processed

Yk the more I think about this the more I see that it's really NOTHING to do with safety for women and babies. If it were about safety then they would be facilitating homebirth / free birth transfers, birth registration etc, however they're doing the exact opposite of that .... this is about money, and coltrol, not safety.

The AMA and RANZCOG must have been DELIGHTED by the maternity services review because the entire thing focussed on banning homebirth instead of focusing on their dangerous over medicalised practices and the impact they're having on women and babies, and the amount of money that the govt is spending to pay them for doing unnecessary surgery, inductions, etc etc.

[lucyinthesky]

Precisely- a review done for the government said this

"All facilities should offer women choice of carer and place of birth, more education and should promote midwife-led care across the continuum. An enormous obstacle is private obstetric charges, as obstetricians may be hesitant to forgo lucrative incomes of up to $9,000 per pregnancy, with some Sydney doctors reported to be charging up to $12,000 and earning collectively up to $1.4 billion per year." (from here http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/maternityservicesreview-741/$FILE/741_Toohill%20&%20Soong_scanned.pdf) please remove if i am not allowed to link

lets not forget the AMA is A UNION! Of course they are going to protect their members income. Perhaps they are scared because HB numbers have progressively been rising and every study conducted appropriately has shown it to be safe.

Regardless, This shouldn't be an slanging match of safety, it is the birthing woman's right to evaluate risk for herself and decided for HERSELF where she will birth. We are not children, we do not need to be told where we can use our vagina's.

[Schmickers]

DW has her birth registration forms lost nearly every time - and this is despite having a contact within BD&M that she sends them too.

[fourthontheway]

regardless, this shouldn't be an slanging match of safety, it is the birthing woman's right to evaluate risk for herself and decided for herself where she will birth. We are not children, we do not need to be told where we can use our vagina's.

sing it sista!!!