aww Pip that suxs.... it would be nice to just be able to go to a dr and not have a lecture about that stuff. my gp's wife has had 4 hb's so he is pretty reasonable about it all.

Hot! thanks for that info from NMBA. BTW I totally agree with what you were saying about it not being about where they are at that makes the practitioner. I went to a hb last weekend of a gf of mines. The mw's were so intrusive and kept touching her vagina without asking and generally the whole process was so far away from the "undisturbed birth" that I think she wanted. I wasn't surprised when she ended up with a c/s to be honest, although I was very sad for her. I know how much she wanted a VBAC.... I felt pretty powerless to help her control the environment because she was very vague about what she wanted me there for other than to take photo's despite alluding to wanting me in a doula role. It was difficult to tell the MW's to back off and stop constantly talking to her and over her and commenting on her unusual labial skin tags... Eventually I did say that I really thought she was having a hard time shutting down her neocortex whilst people were constantly interupting her, but I think the peace she recieved as a result lasted all of 10 mins before they were back in harrassing her and telling her to change positions and get back out of the water etc, etc, etc...... Sorry girls a bit of a debreif there. Just sad because I think she would have had less interruptions in hospital to be honest. It makes me much more clear about what I want from my support team tho. In fact both the last 2 HBAC that I have attended in recent months have resulted in repeat c/s and I am just trying to learn from them. One was so negative going into the birth that in some ways I wasn't surprised and the other was still dealing with loads of anger. Lots to take away from both tbh. It has made me aware also that dealing with fears or at least acknowledging them before this birth is really important for me. So is being really honest about what I want for myself. I think that is part of what has prompted me to start to seek out private back up rather than public. Because it isn't about the facility, it is about the person/s who are supporting you.

Anyway that was a lot to get out.

XX Bella