Gees mnb...you're not painting a great picture! My youngest is almost ready for toilet training and more often than not she sleeps reasonable... not rubbing it in though.
I think if I'm going to do it, it has to be soon though because I do want to finish up baby making and get on with things. Its just that I don't feel complete...I feel I could give it another shot, and then I promise I won't go back again!