Thanks for sharing that with me. It seems the regular accupunture/Chinese herbs, really decreased the N/K cell numbers. I too am having a break from IVF for another 3mths. I do go to chinese accupunturist, fortnightly for a year now, but she hasnt been giving me the herbs... So Im going to tell her about you, and see what she says. She is very knowledgable. I definately think this is your answer...to your prayers. My accupunturist keeps saying, keep coming and it will happen, but you never know if to believe them. Look I think it does now.
Can you tell me a bit more about the chinese herbs?
If you have the ingredients or packet, would be so helpful. Ive done a bit of research on C/herbs and know in conjunction with accupunture they have a potent immunomoduling effect.
Do you rember,over that 3 mths did you decrease or increase intercourse?
Cause, my hubby thinks maybe N/K cells may increase and detect sperm and no s increase. Bit like sperm antibodies. infertility.
My N/K cells, are slightly elevated also. But I do have low progesterone levels in my luteal phase, which apparently N/K cells cause this. Ive read N/K activity decreases the progesterone levels, because good levels of progesterone work against the N/K cell action of Proliferating the lining. Now Im on progesterone tablet during my natural cycles to see if numbers decrease. I read a study from a indian F/S on patients with N/K cells and Uterine Harmony. And after 4 mths on it, 38% fell naturally. Progesterone protects the baby from cytoxicity(N/K).
Ive seen Dr Sacks, for a second opinion, last August when he tested my bloods of N/K cell, @ 9%.Anything over 5% is high. He didnt do a uterine biopsy but said, he felt it is the reason why Im miscarrying and poor implantation and wanted me to fly down from Ballina which is 1000klms away to do treatment. We thought that would be just too draining. From Constance2 and yourself, forum discussions I contacted Dr Matthias, who works independently and will confer with F/S of your own choice. That suits us, cause our closest clinic is 1hr at Monash IVF Gold Coast and we have a caring F/S. So I guess if I do all what youve shared and the progesterone over the next 3mths, cant hurt before we go for our 7th ISCI stim cycle. Ive had 1 Fet cancelled, due to embryo not surviving thaw/Freeze??
Dr Sacks did also,say, if our next cycle didnt work to do PGD,but our F/S said he believed it was a waste time/money..Our embryos look so good, but we only get 2 good blastocyst per cycle. Transfer single ones.
Before I seen Dr Sacks, I had a ph Consult with Dr Sher. He said, " He didnt believe any Drs in Aust could get me pregnant, other than him", We too, cant afford LVegas and SIRM. Im with you on this one. So, wiht your friend her F/S was good to adopt Dr Sher protocol. Was that Monash IVF as I use them?
Ive sent user Constance 2, a friend request. She hasnt replied yet. Have you heard from her? Is she the other girl that got lucky and if she can contact me would be great? If you want to discuss any of this in private, my email is
gjkmahearn at hotmail dot com
We are getting so desparate now. Information is a powerful tool. We know our F/S has been struggling with the alloimmune side. We are in this together.
If theres any thing yourself, the other 2 girls can share I would feel grateful.
I think I drive my F/S mad too. And when I seen Dr Sacks, he said, You would travel the world to find answers but maybe there not there. Have you had your bub?
Please email me.If your on Facebook, if u r?
Kirsty
Last edited by onthefly; March 20th, 2010 at 09:38 PM.
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