Bec G,

you haven't done the wrong thing, you weren't to know it's been discussed before. I understand that as a person who previously had not had a child, you probably did think horrible thoughts about mums who were suffering with secondary infertility, but I'd like to think now you've already had Eliza, you'd know it's as hard struggling with secondary infertility as it is with primary infertility.

I won't say that in the darkest of hours, someone with no kids might feel like we have no right to complain, but I don't think that's fair or correct, and more than that, I don't think we should promote that perception. And I would not like to think that they see us as belonging to a 'club' they are yet again excluded from. When we intergrate, we find more things in common than differences, in my experience. Like anney said, every time we split the LTers, we get more isolated, and less sympathetic to each other. Sometimes it's necessary, but often it's not for the best.

I understand that you may wish to discuss the impact of IVF on your DD, but a thread specifically about that may be more suited than a thread that separates the IVF mums from the IVF childless.