Do you find this insulting?

[briggsy's girl]

i think there is a genuine lack of understanding about IVF processes out there. in most cases in Australia, fertility specialists will strongly discourage the transfer of two embryos - and some will outright refuse. its not easy to convince them to transfer two - especially in a younger mum-to-be. there is generaly a history of failed cycles behind that patient before the FS will support the transfer of more than one embryo. i doubt, in Australia, that there would be too many FS' that would allow a multiple embryo transfer to a patient with no proven history of infertility or failed cycles

taking the celebrity and media factor out of the equation - i still find it insulting that an otherwise healthy, fertile couple would choose IVF to have twins, over natural conception which may result in a singleton/twins or more. i also pity anyone that chooses to go down that path with the misguided notion that they'll be guaranteed twins from IVF - it just doesn't work like that even for the most fertile of women. it's not easy - and to be so set in your head that you want this exact family configuration that you would put yourself through it voluntarily makes me wonder about the mental health of that person!

assisted conception technology was developed to help those of us that can't conceive naturally for whatever reason, not to create "designer families"

[sushee]

Brad and Angelina aside - I think any fertile person who thinks IVF is a great way to have twins, then goes through the whole rigmarole (and it's a HUGE emotional and physical toll, as any IVFer will tell you) knowing that there will be only a one in five chance of falling pg, and then again, once pg, only have a 33% chance of carrying twins, and then an even smaller chance than that to carry them BOTH to term, well, to me, if they want to take that chance, I won't find it insulting because plain and simple, they're COMPLETELY clueless.

Lol! This story makes me laugh every time I read it. If you geniunely think IVF is the easy way to having a child, let alone twins, you're seriously misinformed. More likely you'd end up a a few more singletons than have twins straight off.

[diva det]

Ok i will declare my interest here
I am an IVF vetran who had twins using IVF.

Do i find it insulting? Not in the slightest- they are not stopping other couple from doing IVF, nor are they hurting anybody- i say goodluck to them

If they want to put their bodies through the hell and complications that IVF bring, and then a twin pg that brings more risks and complications- i say go for it!!!!

I find it more insulting when people ask me how my twins were conceived. Its no ones damm business and it really doesnt matter how the sperm and the egg got together- they did and THAT IS THAT!!!
It really shouldnt matter to us either how their twins were conceived either- what difference does it really make- none at all

hmm my 50 cents worth

odette

[Liz]

Going by the definition of insulting, no I don't think it's insulting. I agree with Sarah - I think it's crazy! But if anyone wants to put themselves through it all and the risk of a multiple pg, well.. that's up to them. Don't see how it impacts personally on anyone else.

Is it really using up resources? Is there a waiting list for IVF? (not asking rudely - I really don't know) If it stops couples that need it, then I don't think that's right, but not insulting.

The other thought I had is I would assume that the emotional side of IVF would be less, or at least vastly different for fertile couples, as it's not their only way of having -any- children.

[{sarah}]

Is it really using up resources? Is there a waiting list for IVF? (not asking rudely - I really don't know) If it stops couples that need it, then I don't think that's right, but not insulting.

There is kind of a waiting list for IVF, but not really - because the clinics are so busy you do have to wait a while in general to get an appointment. That said, I don't think having a fertile couple going through a cycle would make too much of a difference. The only resources that would be used are the doctors, nurses & scientists time, the drugs are readily available as far as I know so there'd be no issue there. The only time they'd be using up resources if they were to use donated sperm, eggs or embryos. If that was the case I'd be outraged that a couple not genuinely in need of those things would take them away from another couple that did need them.

[totalbabe77]

i don't find it insulting exactly, but my thoughts are that it is a 'waste' of resources on people who can conceive naturally which may disadvantage people who need IVF, in that it may make it more difficult to get into ob's and fertility clinics etc..but as a previous post said, as long as those babies are loved it can't be too bad..just wouldn't want anyone to miss out..

[sista]

I had actually read elsewhere that because her husband was getting on in age, they decided it was better. Brad Pitt isn't 35 anymore, and maybe for them as a couple they thought it best to be able to try their luck at IVF to have twins before waiting for one baby, wait for her to recuperate and then try again.

I don't find it insulting at all.

[Aphrael]

I'm not offended by using IVF to conceive twins, I'd personall love to have twins so if you could afford it then go ahead.........No govmt assisance tho and as a PP said, def. not priority.

My cuz has to use IVF to conceive and they have been advised only implant 1 embie as it has more of a chance of success, although they'd love twins but I think just having a baby is more important to them.

Cheers,

Beck

[Baby Angels]

I need to use assisted conception, I ve used IVF and was pregnant with Twins unfortunately they did not survive. I do not find it an insult for naturally healthy men or women to use IVF for twins because I do not have a right to dictate what other people do or do not do and as long as those babies are looked after and loved then why would you have an issue with it. Now all those children who are mistreated.... now there is soemthing to have an issue with.

[Sair]

As I am now reading the posts, I realise how little I actually know about IVF.

Thanks Sushee, yeah I probably would be better off trying naturally.

If there was a guarrantee I would go for it but as others have said it doesn't work that way If only it did so everyone could have their families.

[kaddie]

I do find it insulting, i have been undergoing IVF treatment for a number of years. I firstly dont understand why someone would choose to under go ivf when they are perfectly fertile.

[Visitor9]

As a seasoned IVF'er at this stage of my life do I find it insulting that fertile couples access IVF for twins...No I dont
But years ago whilst trying to fall pregnant month after month, I found alot of things insulting ,the parents that already had children accessing IVF and taking them to appointments or the the heavily pregnant woman that sat in the waiting room for the Fertility specialist /Obst. But I never bothered to look and see if there was "a story" that often is heartbreaking and really when looking at a waiting room how do you tell who is infertile. I know it has been debated that a child is not a need more of a desire. I know now that if my desire never eventuated that the want to live would of been no longer.
But after living IVF for the better part of 5 yrs and winning I am a lucky one. Some people will never see the other side of IVF when you can finally let it go.

[~Aveta~]

as a theoretical excersise...

having had natural twins with no family history at a young age, i am aware of the risks associated with a twin pg.

i can see the point of an older couple wanting to increase their chances by having two or more embies transferred, weighing up the associated risk/financial cost of IVF and multiples.

i don't, on principle, agree with designer babies but fully support a couple's decision for genetic testing of embies/gender specification in cases of family-associated genetic issues. (eg hemophilia, CF)

although i personally wouldn't do it, i also support the decision of individuals to do IVF with donor embies.

i absolutely support IVF for single women and same-sex couples who will be financially supporting their kids.


but i do find the notion that an otherwise healthy couple with no infertility issues would choose IVF a bit odd, if not personally insulting.

[Karina]

I find it a bit wrong.. because the way I see it is that they are using up those resources (ie the doctors, nurses, appointments etc at the fertility clinic) that could otherwise be used by someone who does actually need them. So, in that sense I think its pretty unfair, maybe even selfish, and I dont agree with that sort of thing happening.

[AnyDream]

I don't find it insulting, but I am concerned about the apportioning of medical resources to those who are in greatest need.

I'd hate to think that couples who are going through a long and possibly distressing journey to conceive via IVF might miss out on specialist care and attention when they need it because others are using it as a matter of convenience or choice, kwim?

I'm also concerned because when there is greater need, a demand-driven market tends to drive up prices, so again, a negative side affect could be an increase in the costs associated with IVF treatment for those couples for whom this is their only option.

[Cazz]

File this under "Things other people are doing that don't affect me". Why should I care if a healthy person wants to go to through the trouble, expense and discomfort of IVF when they don't strictly have to?

[maz]

All in all

its just another case of money talking

Look at how quickly the superrich adopt their babies....I know a couple that had to wait 10 years......

[dust]

any pregnancy single or multiple is a risk, so lets put it straight no pregnancy or birth is "risk free".. if they opted for some sort of miracle 'risk free' pregnancy wouldnt they cop the flack about that too.
Not so long ago there was a case of mums suing over a twin IVF which alot of people felt they had a right to judge all involved..
i dont need ivf, i dont find it insulting... nvm never being able to afford it.