Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
1 more please - you can use frozen sperm with IVF, I have a friend that did and they fell pg on a FET cycle, I think the first fresh cycle maybe didn't work...
But if your DH doesn't have MFI and he is able to give a fresh sample - is there a reason why you would not use a fresh sample? I know some DH's travel for work etc, so having a frozen sample means they will not missnthe cycle if he is away..
From your last response, you mentioned that the main factors you had on your mind were your age and your weight? Given that you have decided (I hope I don't get this wrong as I'm operating from memory and can't jump back to look at your previous post as the this is a new thread) to walk away if it doesn't work based on your age... I have to say that if I was in your situation, I think I would go the IVF route. I say this for a couple Of reasons....
Firstly, its hard to know how many eggies you'll get as you haven't done an IVF cycle before, but I would be thinking that hopefully you'll get more than one (just like your handle on here sort of ) - I developed OHSS on the one egg retrieval cycle I did, but I got 17 eggs, 12 of which became fertilized and frozen embryo's (day 3).
The benefit of IVF for you, may be that you could freeze some eggs/ embryo's so hopefully you would have more than one opportunity for transfer out of your IVF cycle? I know this sometimes doesn't happen, and ladies only get one embryo suitable for transfer (butnhey it only takes one, right). Unexplained infertility couples generally have pretty good success with IVF, eg if there is no problem with DH's sperm (although its hard and frustrating that science still cant test egg quality)!
If you went the IVF path then there' a pretty good chance you would get more than one transfer out of it? So it's hard to compare between 6 IUI cycles - if you do IUI it may not take that many, or it could take more? At least if you go the IVF path then you can sort of rule out the age factor as you will hopefully get eggs/ embies to freeze? This would buy you some time... If you go the IUI path, and your age is a concern to you, then you won't have any frozen eggs/ embies?
Such a hard decision! But I think positively said that she had done 3'iui's that didn't work.... I don't know, maybe it's because I have had such good luck with IVF - if you have tried the iui's but you haven't yet tried IVF - I reckon I would be giving the IVF a go? There is so much more they can do with the IVF drugs etc - to stimulate you to get good egg retrieval etc (assuming your body "plays ball")... We were also unexplained infertility (after my first 2 were conceived naturally) but I am almost positive I couldn't fall pg naturally after surgery on my left ovary.... I guess it helped that we already knew I could fall pg and carry a baby etc... But, if your willing to try IVF, especially if your FS says it's a good option for you, then I reckon it's worth giving it a try? all thatsaid though, it's such a personal decision, so you have to do what's right for your family. Everyone is different xx
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
1 more - I went back and looked and realized you had said you were going to go into early menopause, which is the reason I actually responded (with one of my llllllloooonnnnggggg diatribe posts again)
If early menopause was an issue for me I think I'd go for IVF. I would want to try and get some frozen eggs/ embies so that I had something to transfer with a FET if the first cycle didn't work. But I'm a huge believer in FET's for some reason most of my IRL friends that have done IVF, have had success with a FET. I've never had a fresh transfer, so I cant compare..
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
Tuesday 8 April 2014
Waiting for EPU/O/IUI/FET or just something to happen!
CatyO - taking a break
Kel82 - taking a break
Jo_white - saving for IVF
Bestrong - waiting for AF Sarah4kurt - waiting for AF 1 More Please (Rai) - waiting for AF Nothing2lose - ??? Miss.B - CD7 Juniper76 - CD7 Emma09 - CD9 Joski - CD27 Amy_jellybean - CD58
Glorious - CD64
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
Hi Ladies, wishing you all a lovely day
Following on from the posts above......my FS said you there is more success with a FET cycle, do you know why? in my mind fresh would be better but obviously not so just curious if anyone knows why this is
1more - I have given your situation some more thought too and having done the IUI and the IVF now I think I would prefer to go IVF if I was faced with your dilema. I feel with the IVF being able to freeze an egg gave us more of a chance, knowing that we had 2 healthy fertilized eggs to go with felt like more of a chance then just having the sperm placed inside but not knowing if anything was happening and going to come of it. But again this is such a personal decsiion only you know what is best for you and your family. GL hun
AFM - I obviously had the trigger last night and this morning I am noticing the mild cramps and bloating and tingly b**bs so I am going to try and remember exactly what this feels like so when it happens for real I know what it is and recognise it
Well Ladies wishing you all a lovely happy day, sending love & light to you all with sprinklings of baby dust xx
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
Positively your so funny! You make me lol in a good way - you so remind me of me! Are you a Capricorn by any chance? If you want to catch up let me know, sorry I haven't pm'd you, for some reason my PM's always go pear shaped, I'm in the western suburbs - where are you?
Regarding the fresh v frozen debate. My FS (who has been my gynae for 13 years) and delivered all my babies (including the twins, even though he had retired and is no longer an OB - so cool as he came along to assist my new OB) will not say frozen is better than fresh or vice a versa. My opinion is that your body has already been through so much with a fresh transfer... So perhaps giving your body a month to recover and then doing a FET helps? Not sure as I said, I've never had a fresh transfer? I do believe if it's going to happen, it will happen regardless of fresh or frozen - as long as they internal environment is right. This cycle I did everything I said I wouldnt - ran around like a headless chook, got no rest, ate crap (DH is an amazing cook but he's away), lifted the twins, I even jumped on the trampoline (moment of madness where I forgot about the transfer) I also had a hot bath on Saturday night (idiot).
As for the trigger - pretty exciting!! Just wait in a few days, or maybe even today you will look like your 6 months pregnant! That's the bit I hated... Seriously I couldn't do my jeans up! And my 12 year old asked if I was pg.... That trigger makes you so bloated it's not funny! But it goes away about 8 -9 days post trigger.... It's a bit disconcerting.
Good luck for your transfer! Do you know when it is yet? If you decide to POAS make sure you use a FRER - I wish had have! Could have saved myself a fair bit of unnecessary stress. Got a nice stronger line on a FRER this morning...
Have a great day ladies.... And I have everything crossed for those that are cycling or about to cycle.
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
TTL so happy line is darker for you this morning you must be very happy and thank you so much for your reply I have already rang fs this morning and told her I will be in in a few
months for ivf and with dp away on and off for work will have to use frozen sperm but like you said if its ment to be it will I will fall pg xxx
PosGTC so exciting doing the trigger really hope this works and you get your bfp as well and thank you for replying I have decided to do ivf just very nervous about it xxx
Joski so happy the bleeding stopped, good luck with bt results xxx
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
Juniper could you please put me down as waiting to do ivf, im thinking I will be able to do it around July so I have 3 months to lose some weight and start eating and drinking better ( I love soda). If anyone can think of something
I could take or do to to get ready for the ivf please let me know, now I have made my decision I'm really excited and nervous
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
Hi again Ladies......as you can see my mind is not at work today!
TTL - Glad I can make you smile/laugh. I am a Leo not a typical one though. I live North but work in Subi on Roberts Road to be exact so yes we should catch up for a coffee if you are around, would like that! After reading what you said about the FET cycle I recall now asking my FS why and he said something along the lines of they think it's because your body goes through so much with an IVF cycle that it affectS the chances of a BFP. So what you are saying rings true and sure makes sense if you think about it.
I have a pair of pants on today and boy is that a big mistake im bursting at the seams...lol back to dresses and skirts i think. Ok so I have to expect that bloated feeling to lessen as the days go by? is that even if you are pregnant?
Oh yes transfer is Saturday not sure of the time apparently the embryologist will call on Friday before they start thawing and advise a time for Saturdays transfer.
I am just so pleased the FN said my levels were textbook and they couldn't ask for better at least the environment is perfect for a little embryo
Joski - man you must be super frustrated with your body at the mo', big hugs hun
1more - Well done on making your decision, i think you are doing the right thing. So normal to second guess your decision so dont fret too much. I would 100% suggest start taking Vitex now, it is the best all round herb for reproductive health however it takes a couple of months to start taking effect so hence the start now! I will private message you in this regard re good brands. GL with the eating and drinking better, try go for a walk at least 4 days a week so good for the body and soul
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
Rai, I highly recommend trying acupuncture! The best time to start is 4 months before the IVF to maximise egg quality (and 3 months before if you want to send your hubby to maximise sperm quality!)!! I'd also start taking 600mg of CoQ10 now for egg quality too. Oh, and contradicting PGTC, I would NOT take vitex to prepare for IVF without a naturopath or TCM practitioner supervising the use. I tried it briefly (on the recommendation of my acupuncturist) and had unpleasant side effects. I don't think it agreed with my body...
3rdTL, glad to hear today's test was so much clearer! Congrats! FX for great numbers when you get your b/t!!
PositivelyGTC, when I got the BFP with DD (via IVF), I was super bloated until 10wks. It disappeared a few days after trigger, but came back around 10dpo... I needed maternity pants right from the beginning...
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
TTL, congratulations!! Wonderful news. Wishing you HnH 9 months.
1more, seconding jupiter's advice re acupuncture. I also take Chinese herbs as does DH. Statistics are behind acupuncture in relation to IVF success rates too. They are doing a further study on it at MIVF.
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
1more - agree with Juniper and WW re the Acupuncture. I go every week when im not cycling and when I am I go on the therapists advised days. I love it, its amazing for stress. I have been going for over 2 years now and I know I haven't yet got my BFP but my health has improved and I'm happier for it too.
Your Acupunturist will be able to prescribe Chinese herbs to assist with your specific needs. GL
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
1 more congratulations on making your decision to go with IVF! I don't think you'll regret it and hopefully you'll get your bfp much quicker than IUI. Good luck with changing your diet and losing some weight, I'm sure you'll be successful because you have great motivation!
Positively, id love to catch up! I live 3 minutes from Subi, does next week suit? I will try and PM you today, if it doesn't work are you happy to send me your email address?
I agree with Juniper re the Vitex, I wouldn't take it unless your FS agrees. My natropath recommended I take it when I was leading up to my fresh cycle and my FS said not to take it? I didn't ever ask why to be honest - but I would definitely check before starting! I also agree with Junipers recommendations on what to take to maximize egg quality! The CoQ10 I reckon worked wonders for my egg quality (so far both embryo's transferred from that cycle have resulted in bfp's the first time! And I also credit it with getting 17 eggs and 12 fertilizing). Anything you can do to maximize the number of eggs collected and their quality is a brilliant idea....
Positively I am the opposite to Juniper on the bloating front.. With the twins I had no bloating because it was a natural FET, eg I didn't need to trigger as I ovulated by myself (but I didn't take Clomid on that cycle either). This cycle - uuuuugggghhhh - the bloat happened almost immediately after I did the trigger... It started to disappear almost exactly the same time as I tested the trigger out of my system. So I look pretty normal now compared to the pot belly and muffin tops I had for a week straight after the trigger I honestly looked 6 months pg for the week after the trigger, but as soon as the trigger disappeared from my system the bloating eased (thankfully). Everyone is different - so don't be concerned if the bloating goes away, it doesn't mean your not pg or you won't get your bfp (I know you'll be watching for symptoms like a hawk) - and I know everyone is different with symptoms eg: some people get them and some people don't... But for me in both of my bfp cycles - sore boobies, like way spree than just the progesterone from about 3dpt on (this may be slightly later for you because you are having a day 3 and not day 5 transfer), pulling on front left side and sore lower back - both similar to ov or AF pain. I reckon those are the 3 main symptoms to watch for!
Joski - I so hope your BT reveals more about what is going on At least then you'll know whether you ovulated or whether it was an anovulatory cycle? If it wad the latter, try not to be disappointed - my FS always said that the cycle after an anovulatory cycle, was always a really good one? Fingers crossed for you this is the case!
WW it's nice to see you!
1 more I forgot to say - if your accu recommends you start taking any herbs - make sure you check with your FS before you start taking anything! My FS and actually, my whole clinic advise you not to take any Chinese herbs while IVF cycling. Apparently some of the herbs can impact the way your body responds to the meds in a collection cycle? And actually I wanted to use herbs when I was doing my FET (the twins cycle) and my FS said no as well as apparently the herbs can impact the temperature of your uterus (which needs to be just so - so that the embie can implant). I did accu the whole way through though and it was awesome. With the twins I was such a believer that I actually did an accu session ore transfer and one straight after! Hahahaha - this cycle no accu and I still got a bfp, so obviously it wasn't critical in my case
Hope everyone has a great day! I've decided not to test again before the BT, I was really happy with yesterday's line, so I dont see any point in doing my own head in over the darkness of the line (thank you gorgeous myturn for helping me see reason on this matter). I'm feeling really good about the result and strangely I generally worry about getting a bfp, but I don't worry so much about it sticking (probably because I haven't really had any issues in this area before), both of the mc I suffered were due to genetic abnormalities - so if I have a mc I know it's probably for the best because of a genetic abnormality. Hoping for an hcg level of above 100 tomorrow. I get that then I will be able to relax a whole heap more! What is everyone doing for Easter? We are going East and I'm really looking forward to it now.
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
Happy Hump day Ladies
TTL - I am off next week decided to take the week off and make the most of the Easter break and it works well with having the transfer on Saturday. So I wont be in Subi however I will see how next week goes and try to arrange a catch up either Wednesday or Thursday. I will pm you my email address, hopefully you get it. Thanks too for the info on the symptoms I feel better armed to detect anything if as you say I am one who has any symptoms at all. Can you take the CoQ10 whilst you are undergoing treatment or is it to be used only for the months you are taking a break? I bet tomorrow can't come quick for you....so exciting!!
Joski - thinking of you, hope you get some good news however if you haven;t O this cycle hopefully next month is a great cycle and you get the BFP
Well Ladies wishing you all a really lovely day, love & light x
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
My FS to,d me to take the CoQ10 for three months leading up to my egg collection cycle, to improve the number and quality of the eggs retrieved. I stopped taking it the night before collection... Your not supposed to take it when pg I don't think?
Probably no benefit in using it leadingup to a FET as it is used to improve egg quality and the quanity of eggs retrieved in a fresh stim cycle? Also they say there is no point using it - unless your on it for the 3 months leading into your stim. So good timing for you 1 more, positively you would prob have wanted to use it before your egg collection. Hopefully you won't need to do another stim cycle to get your bfp (sorry I don't know how many embies you have in the freezer? Or how many you had collected and fertilized)? but if you had to do another stim cycle, then I reckon it's worth taking for 3 months before cycling again - especially if you wanted to increase your numbers and quality. I figure IvF is so expensive, 3 waiting 3 months is worth it if it saves you time in the long run and you can do less stim cycles to get your bfp.
Re: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
TTL, wishing you great numbers for your BT!
Joski, terrific that your body is doing its thing!
Rai, you do what you need to do, but I always think you just take everything you can now, because you never know how/when you'll get pregnant. Also you need to get a TCM person who is experienced with IVF. They will know when to stop/restart the herbs. Just excited for you that you're taking the plunge with IVF. It's a gutsy move.
I will sign off and just stalk from now I think. I don't have any new info. Booked in for dating scan/BT in two weeks.
Wishing everyone in here strength and luck and their sticky BFPs right around the corner. My heart is with you guys.
Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014
) - I developed OHSS on the one egg retrieval cycle I did, but I got 17 eggs, 12 of which became fertilized and frozen embryo's (day 3).
I honestly looked 6 months pg for the week after the trigger, but as soon as the trigger disappeared from my system the bloating eased (thankfully). Everyone is different - so don't be concerned if the bloating goes away, it doesn't mean your not pg or you won't get your bfp (I know you'll be watching for symptoms like a hawk) - and I know everyone is different with symptoms eg: some people get them and some people don't... But for me in both of my bfp cycles - sore boobies, like way spree than just the progesterone from about 3dpt on (this may be slightly later for you because you are having a day 3 and not day 5 transfer), pulling on front left side and sore lower back - both similar to ov or AF pain. I reckon those are the 3 main symptoms to watch for!
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