Tantee, I'm thinking of you. I had my stomach in my throat last night and this morning thinking the nurses would call us with the same news. My phone rang whilst I was on my way to the hospital for my FET, and I almost threw up with nerves - thought it was the Clinic telling me to turn around and go home. I have my fingers crossed for you and that last remaining embryo is a sticky one. for you.
Airline, my first few weeks on a stim cycle were my worst - the Pill made me feel really ill, like I was on a boat all the time. It did get better once I started the injections. Be kind to yourself and take it easy.
Hi to everyone else, thinking of you all.
AFM, went to the Hospital for my FET this morning. They had thawed my last 6 embryos from Day 2. Three didn't survive the thaw. Three survived the thaw, but one wasn't looking too good today and didn't look like it would reach blastocyst. The other two were doing well and had both reached blast - so we had both transferred back to me. All eggs in one basket...these were my last embryos out of the original 15 that fertilised back in January. I'm feeling really good and positive, but it gets me a bit teary when I think that we started out so hopeful and positive in January, and here we are 9 months later with only the two on board. I remember telling DH that even if the first ET didn't work in January, we still had 14 to go - and we really thought that was our entire family sitting in the lab. Did not think we would need to go back for another stim...and possibly even before the end of the year.
Anyway, enough of that talk. I'm in the TWW and two little embies are gonna stick around and make me a Mumma! And maybe even twins?!
cheers persephone for your thoughts. i've been really, really, really lucky so far. This is my 3rd stim cycle, and my 2nd pill crossover cycle, and so far I've had a few headaches and that's it. Well my skin has broken out like I've never experienced my whole life, which gets me more down when I'm already feeling a bit ****ty that day, but if that's the worst I get then I know I'm lucky. I had a terrible couple of months when I was on Clomid for 6 months, flipping personality transplant, , so I was sooo worried, but so far so good.
The original plan was a stim cycle then FETs (we only got 2 snowbubs with each cycle) but due to gov'ment threats with rebate decided to go stim. cycles till end of year. Of course we hoped it'd take only one....then two, and now we hope 3rd time lucky and all that.
Gosh, it doesn't pay to not log in for a couple of days, there are so many posts to catch up on!
sonyalouise - glad you're off the pill now. Hopefully you'll start feeling better soon, and don't suffer too much from the injections. I know I didn't really have any side effects from the drugs (a couple of headaches) though I DID NOT like the trigger drug at all - I think i'm still feeling the effects 10 days later
Seph - will for you that these little embies stick. How cool would twins be?! After all this time you definitely deserve something like this. You must be made of strong stuff indeed to surive a year like that and still be smiling.
airline - i'm with you girl! I'm much calmer if I have the plan written down and feel like i'm in control, even though it's still likely to change at times and i'm not actually in control of anything. But I definitely find it helps me. Enjoy crossing all the days off!
tantee - all the best for tomorrow. I've had the 11th hour phonecall and I know how awful it is, so here's hoping you won't have to experience that. They must be optimistic still if they're going ahead, so that's a good sign and something to hold on to. Sending some sticky vibes your way.
mitf - glad you had your appointment with FS, even if it does sound like a bit of a waste of time...! Fingers crossed AF arrives at a time convient for your ET with your FS. How does she usually act after a stim cycle? Have you had one before? Apologies for my bad memory. And enjoy the last weekend of drinking - I know I certainly did last weekend, though I may have over indulged just a little...
Loops - have you POAS yet?!?!
Krikkit - CONGRATULATIONS I love hearing news like that. Makes me think this IVF caper might actually work after all!!
Onja - with your thaw cycle. I haven't had one but hopefully it does the trick for you.
Nix - I know what you mean about the money side of things. We're looking at having to do another stim cycle since we got nothing out of our first one. So there's another $6500 gone just like that. I don't want to whinge about it too much, we'll pay it gladly if it works, I just want some kind of reassurance it's going to be okay and that I won't have to keep paying for stim cycle after stim cycle. Okay, will shut up now! Are you up to the 'non-drinking' part of your cycle yet?!
Juniper - good luck with the acupuncture. I've only just started, but i'm certainly hopeful about all the literature out there, so here's hoping you reap all the benefits for your next cycle.
Okay, think i've caught up with everyone now, if not, sorry
AFM - we have our appointment with FS tomorrow afternoon to discuss our cancelled ET last week and options for moving forward. I'm very much hoping he: a) has answers for us on what happened to our embies, along side with 'things we've learnt from the failed cycled', and b) says I can go straight into another stim cycle (AF is due any time from Saturday). Has anyone else done back to back stim cycles? Is that generally okay or usually frowned upon? This must be the first time in my life i'm glad for a short cycle!!
Anyway my lovelies, I must be off. DH has just arrived home and is a little cross dinner isn't ready. Well, I just couldn't be bothered cooking and had a sandwich instead. to him.
Hey Lise
my experience with my clinic is they like you to have 2 'bleeds' between stim cycles. The first is sadly the cycle that hasn't worked out, and then another. I took a long time for the 2nd to start after my first stim cycle so they put me on the pill then took me off after 2/3 weeks to get a 'withdrawl' bleed...I cross over between still taking pill and starting to sniff the synarel. So this time I asked to go on the pill as soon as my hcg levels were at 0. It still means a 6 week wait between starting pill and ET but....I divide it into sectors and each sector is a sniff or pill or injection and it's a step closer to the 2ww and hopefully our dream to come true
good luck for your app. and hope you get all your answers
Just popping in very quickly, so not a lot of time.
Seph - congrats that you had 2 make it to blastie. I've been thinking about you all week. Good luck for the rest of the TWW and I am hoping and praying that it works. I don't know why but I just have a good feeling about this one for you, and I really believe that they're going to stick and you'll get your BFP in a couple of weeks.
Loops - Where are you? Have you POAS yet?
Airline - good luck with this cycle. I was in the TWW when you were there last time, and I am so sorry that one didn't end up working for you (hopefully I've got the right girl and that you know what I'm talking about - otherwise, I'm going completely mad).
lise - good luck with FS appointment. Hope it goes well for you.
tantee - good luck with ET today. Hope that embie was a fighter and you get your BFP soon.
sonyalouise - good luck for the next phase of your cycle. It's such a good feeling to come off the pill. It feels like you're actually getting somewhere.
mitf - glad your FS appointment went well (albeit a waste of time). Hope AF arrives for you soon and you can get into your first FET. Will be hoping like mad that this one is it for you. Good luck.
AFM - not much to report. Am on my 6 week break until I can do my FET (since we didn't do ET after our recent stim cycle because of possible OHSS). AF arrived very early (only 9 days after EPU), so I'm already nearly one week into my "break cycle". In a way, I think that it was good to get AF early, because it gets me to my FET earlier, but I also kind of worry that AF arrived so early. Normally I wouldn't have expected her til maybe 12-13 days after EPU but she showed up 9 days after EPU (with spotting the day before too). So don't know if I should be worried about that or not. I know that stim cycles can mess up your body, but mostly I read about girls having their cycles lengthened because of a stim cycle, not shortened. Anyway, enough of that. I have a pretty busy month ahead of me one way or another, which will be a good thing I think. It'll keep my mind of IVF and I'll be back into it before I know it.
Hi to all the girls I missed. Hope everyone is doing ok.
Hey ladies - Lise you are so right - too much to catch up on when you don't log in for a few days!
Loops - I was reading through waiting to see if you did a post - how are you going? Sounds like tell time is almost upon us - did you POAS - when is your BT due?
Lise - you mentioned the extra money for stim cycle - you get most of that back on medicare though right? Also you said it is $6500 - what clinic are you at - I'm with MIVF and it is $5300 for ICSI IVF cycle? GL with FS I hope you do get some answers. I am not sure on the timing of getting back into a STIM cycle - I've heard they seem to like you to have a break but I will be interested to hear what your FS tells you.
I am almost at the non-drinking part - I guess that is up to personal choice really - I have a hens night and a 40th to go to this Sat night so will let my hair down one last time. But have not been drinking other than 2 nights to drown my sorrows and then this Sat night and I will be off it again.
Sonyalouise - thanks for your thoughts - I had not yet posted where I was at, finally made the appointment yesterday - figured if I left it a bit longer it was less days to wait - funny the games we play in our heads!
I am booked in next Thurs for a scan to see where my levels are at and if Ovu is on the horizon... thoughts are it will probably be a bit early for this ti show but as you all know once we have that happening it will be back in to thaw and transfer.
Tantee - big hugs to you that must be so hard and daughnting. After reading about your thawing - I realize that nothing is guaranteed in all this hey! I think I will focus all my 'luck generating energy' on our little bubsicles thawing OK so we can do a transfer and not loose any in the process. In the back of my mind though, with only 2 in the freezer, I feel another stim cycle is not so unrealistic :-(
Krikkit - Congrats again! great news and so good to read that IT DOES HAPPEN!!!!
Hi to everyone else sorry I have missed so many - there was so much to catch up on and I am at work so better get back to it!
Lise, I did back-to-back stim cycles earlier this year. Each time I did the long down-reg protocol so it was suppression cycle, stim cycle, suppression cycle, stim cycle... and then a 5 month break (2 months to go!!) I just had to get a b/t at 7DPO during the second suppression cycle to prove I had O'd before they would let me start the synarel. GL and I hope your appointment goes well.
tantee, I'm sorry to hear about the thaw success rate. I hope you don't get another phone call and that the little battler you've got left is The One.
I've been trying really hard to keep up with everyone in this thread so I will apologise in advance if I miss anyone .
Persephone - Thanx for the welcome and another GOOD LUCK with your 2WW! I hope this is the one for you..
AllyG - A late (sorry) and I hope you found out the answer to your question... I'm sorry that your 1st and 2nd cycle has not worked out well and good luck with the next.
wishes - I hope your break goes really fast for you and well wishes for your up and coming FET.
airline - We are thinking along the same lines and are going to try and squish in 2 stim cycles before the end of the year just in case... I hope it is 3rd time lucky for you !
lise - Good Luck with your appointment today and hope your FS has some new ideas for you. Like wishes, I have been told by my clinic that you have to have 2 'bleeds' before starting another stim or FET. All clinics are different though..
sonyalouise - I'm glad that you are feeling better and I hope that the nausea subsides. Good luck with your cycle.
mitf - I hope AF arrives soon (this is about the only time us girls would say that!) and good luck with your natural 2WW!
tantee - Still thinking of you and that all has gone well and good luck with the transfer .
Onja - Thank you for the good luck wishes and same back to u! I hope that you have found a good FS as I wouldn't want to wait that long either!
Loops - Again, thinking of you and fingers crossed that AF has not shown her ugly head!
Nix - Good Luck with your up and coming FET and I know how you feel about the $ side of things... just adds that much more pressure. I cried when I heard how much the FET was although only ended up being out of pocket $300 which wasn't as bad as I first thought.
juniper - I hope the acupuncture does the trick for you ! I can relate about the work thing as well. I always feel so guilty about taking time off work even though I shouldn't because it's not my choice to be doing IVF!
melttc - Good Luck with your cycle and I hope you are 1st time lucky !
AFM ? This is definitely the longest post I have ever done (and whilst at work.. so naughty)! Still patiently waiting (not!) to start Lucrin on the 25 Sept so 8 sleeps to go and counting down! Have been feeling well the last week although had another 'down' day yesterday as received a text from friend announcing that she is having a baby girl. It just hurts and wonder when I will be able to make a similar announcement. Feeling slightly better today though and heading to yoga tonight so hopefully that will help.
Anyways.. talk to you all soon and hope that everyone has a good day!
Last edited by Coral73; September 17th, 2009 at 10:59 AM.
hey wishes, yup that was me it doesn't matter what happens to us eh? we analyse everything, then compare it to everyone else then reanalyse it!! Hope your busy month keeps you going...
can't stay on computer any longer, lots to do around the house....the more I do now, the more DH might do later when I'm at work
hope you're enjoying some more sunshine than I am experiencing in Melbourne today! Though we do need rain of course, so I'll stop complaining.
Wishes - FS has told me that whilst it's common that AF turns up a little later after a stim cycle (maybe up to 5 days) that it's not unusual if she simply does what she's always done and turn up on time. So, as you said, you've effectively shortened your waiting time - yay
Nix - i'm also at MIVF (maybe i've seen you there?! Who else goes there?) and you're right, for ICSI we paid $5300. I was thinking also of the other costs involved - for the EPU we had to pay the full $863 because our private health insurance wouldn't pay it (I had quite the tantie after I found that out ), and then the antagonist drug (last cycle I had 4 shots @ $90 each). But yes, we'll certainly get most of it back, especially now we've hit the safety net. And because we didn't finish our cycle we have a small credit with MIVF, so we won't have to pay quite as much up front
Coral - not long till the 25th now - it'll be here before you know it! You mentioned yoga - what type do you do and how do you find it? I used to really enjoy body balance at the gym but haven't even tried a yoga class before. Do you find it helps to destress you?
airline, juniper and coral - thanks for the advice regarding back to back stim cycles. FS said...
WE CAN GO STRAIGHT INTO ANOTHER CYCLE
So we had our appointment this afternoon and he said no worries about starting again straight away. We're doing an antagonist cycle, and to be honest I didn't ask if back to back was okay for all cycles, but he just said it was more a case of being ready mentally rather than physically. So maybe different cycles and different drugs would be a different story? AF is due any time from tomorrow onwards - i've got the cramping and the out of control chocolate cravings (which is usually my biggest tell tale sign!), and like last time, i'm counting down the minutes till she arrives and I can start again!
He said this time we'd double my dosage of Gonal-F, so i'll start at 300, but otherwise we'll stay with the same plan as last time. The only other thing he said we might do differently was transfer two embies, but we'll discuss it after EPU when we know how many there are. Like most of us, i've no objections to twins!!
In relation to our cancelled ET last week he said that our two embies were dividing as they should but some of the cells contained more than one nucleus, which is not normal and more likely to result in a) no pregnancy, b) miscarriage if you do manage to get pregnant, or c) a child with severe abnormalities if you do continue. So he said they just don't even transfer embryos like that any more, and it really was just a case of extremely bad luck for us that both our embies were like that.
So I feel heaps better now that I know there's nothing seriously wrong with DH and I and full of optimism for our next cycle.
I'd better go before you all fall asleep reading my long post - very sorry about all the 'me me me' talk. It's just nice to talk about stuff like this with people who understand.
Have a great evening ladies - no doubt I won't be able to help myself and i'll be checking up on everyone before I go to bed...!
Just a quick one from me (sorry for the me post but am feeling a little drained after this week's dramas)
After a long sleepless night worrying about my last little embie, I waited until 11:30 before I even let myself think ET was going to happen (my ET app was for 12:30) I was sure I was going to get the dreaded phonecall. It didn't come, so I went in (still expecting a call on the way). The relief I felt when she handed me my gown was unbelievable.
So now I have my little one on board and have my BT on the 28th, which is a lot less than the 17 day wait I had last time. It's a 3-day 4 cell, pretty average I think, but this one must be a fighter!
Will try and take it easy this time, everything in moderation.
Thank you all so much for your support. Yet again my BB friends have helped me through a difficult time and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Will post personals later but in the meantime... sending you heaps of
Hey Lise - Well I've only been in to MIVF East Melb 3 times - once for the whole intro (nurse, counsel & accounts appoint) and then EPU and ET. I visit the satelite clinic at Mt Waverley for my scans and BT's.
Can I ask tho - who is your FS? Interestingly - I have only ever seen mine in the lead up to finding out we need IVF and then briefly at EPU and I had to see another FS for ET. Now that we got a BFN I thought I would see him again to discuss what is what with us and options moving forward but I just talk with my nurse and make all future appointments and discuss dates and treatment with her. Mind you - this is Ok as she is lovely and it doesn't cost me $80 for the conversation - but I just wonder if this is comparable to all of you guys as you said you were meeting your FS??
Scott Pearce is my FS and he seems really nice. Explains things well and from what I gether has a good 'strike rate'.
Tantee - so glad your last little bubsicle made it through and is back where s/he should be! GL in 2WW - just take it easy and look after yourself and positive/sticky vibes to you!
Nix, our FS is Raphael Kuhn, and he's just lovely. We've seen him several times, the first couple for our initial consultation and treatment options discussions, and then when I started my first cycle (he does all my scans), and again today. When he rang the other day to advise of our cancelled ET, there was no option to see a nurse - he said he'd get his receptionist to make an appointment for us.
In terms of payment - we paid for our two initial consultiation/treatment options appointments, but as soon as we start a cycle all the scans/appointments (including today) are included in our 'package'.
I didn't know anything about him before we went to MIVF, but a friend of mine also saw him and told me he used to be the director of MIVF, so i'm pretty happy with that he knows what he's doing!
DH is still at work and i'm getting a little bored at home by myself - as i'm sure people can tell as I keep logging on and posting messages...!!
Wow that sounds good! It's interesting how they all differ! So hard to know if you are at the 'best' one but I guess at the end of the day if you are comfy with them and there is some good record of them and they are associated with somewhere like MIVF then they have to be good!
I'm bored too! Feel like I should be researching something or reading about other IVF journeys.... but I think I know everything I need to for now (or maybe want to know!!) and its just this whole waiting game..tick tock, tick tock! Drives me crazy!
I agree - I think as long as you're happy and comfortable with the service then I guess it doesn't matter where in the pecking order they sit. Though I must confess, I did try to google the existance of such a list...!!
I've also been googling other things tonight - unlike yourself Nix I feel like there's still so much I don't know. When the lovely girls start talking about hatching blasties and other such things i'm a bit lost
But that's me - you should enjoy not thinking about IVF stuff if you can help it - I think it consumes our lives so much it's nice not to have to think about it if we don't have to AFM - i'm trying to find something on tv ...
Purely selfish, quick post before i go to work....sorry guys
I am going to do my first ever FET towards the end of OCT and after discussions with FS yesterday it is going to be a medicated cycle with estrogen tablets and then presseries and crinone.
My question is whether its a natural or a medicated FET won't i still be technically having a normal cycle, ie. there is nothing i will be taking that will suppress my body from creating and releasing its own egg that cycle and then i be having a blastie put back as well.
Won't that seriously increase the chances of a multiple pregnancy?
Can anyone confirm from there experiences that you do still have a normal cycle on top of having an embie put back?
Thanks,
for you.
to everyone, will be back soon.
Look after yourself, I know this is the time when everyone wishes they could close their eyes and wake up in 14 days.
, so I was sooo worried, but so far so good.
I love hearing news like that. Makes me think this IVF caper might actually work after all!!
with your thaw cycle. I haven't had one but hopefully it does the trick for you.
to him.
I just had to get a b/t at 7DPO during the second suppression cycle to prove I had O'd before they would let me start the synarel. GL and I hope your appointment goes well.
(sorry) and I hope you found out the answer to your question... I'm sorry that your 1st and 2nd cycle has not worked out well and good luck with the next.
that AF has not shown her ugly head!
it doesn't matter what happens to us eh? we analyse everything, then compare it to everyone else then reanalyse it!! Hope your busy month keeps you going...
to you, and hope the 2WW goes quickly!
AFM - i'm trying to find something on tv ...
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