Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - Jan 2008 #3

**hj1981** · February 5th, 2008, 04:30 PM

Hello everyone! i survived my first night using a progesterone pessarie!!! it was a bit cold tho! hahaha
and this morning my temp sky rocketed!!!! is that normal?

**farmgirl77** · February 5th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Hello all,
Just thought that I'd drop in and say hi. After the TWW thread, have become addicted, but have a few admissions to make 1) am bad with names and I will forget people 2) I'm bad with putting names and events together and will make stuff ups - apologies now 3) tend to go MIA when work gets stressful - I'll lurk but not post

- I think that is most of my bad forum habits up front.
Anyway just wanted to say hi. I'm waiting this month out, and hope for FET in March (with a BFP of course).
FG

**butterfly_warrior** · February 5th, 2008, 05:58 PM

HJ, it's the progesterone in the luteal phase that makes your temperature rise and the whole theory behind basal body temperature charting, so yep, sky rocketing temperatures after progesterone pessaries are normal! I've got one transfer cycle chart where it's really obvious. I do a slightly different protocol, I only ever have one progesterone pessary and it's the night before my transfer, so it's pretty easy to spot with me.

Nattty, my first transfer was a hatching blastie - I got pregnant with it, but I miscarried just before 9 weeks for a completely unrelated reason. Can't say I've ever had an embryo stick in the catheter, though, but I have heard of it happening. The fact that your blastie was hatching means it's ready to go. Just think of it as being extra-sticky and wanting to hold on to whatever it can grab! I sure hope this works - good luck!

Farmgirl, don't stress - there's so many people here that it's really hard to keep track of where everyone's at, don't feel bad for not managing! Now that I'm back at school, it gets pretty hard for me, and I'm sure nobody is offended if you can't write a personal comment back to everyone (if they are, I'll smack them for you!

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to everyone else. I'm having a bit of trouble trying to keep track of who's who... and my head is spinning after last night's snap decision to go back for a FET this month. Booked in today - on CD12! There's a huge advantage to doing natural FETs, and now I'm really glad I took my OI drugs anyway rather than going on the pill. It feels like the right thing to do, but last week I was adamant that we wouldn't... it's taking a bit of time for all parts of my mind to get caught up!

BW

**hj1981** · February 5th, 2008, 06:01 PM

Thanks Butterfly_warrior!
i just set up a trial with FF - so now u can see my sky high temp! hahaha - was a bit of a shock i took my temps a few times b4 i believed it!- but very glad to hear its normal!!!

**hj1981** · February 5th, 2008, 06:02 PM

will make it hard to tell if im preg now tho!!

**butterfly_warrior** · February 5th, 2008, 06:12 PM

HJ, I also have to say that the chart where I was pregnant and it wasn't a chemical pregnancy is the most non-pregnant looking chart I have! But the progesterone will certainly change things a bit with your chart. You certainly win for temp jumps - mine was only around 0.2C.

BW

**hj1981** · February 5th, 2008, 06:16 PM

Hahaha Yeah i win!!!!!

Thanks for your help! muchly apprechiated!

**Baby Angels** · February 5th, 2008, 07:19 PM

Saltprincess.... sorry to hear your BFN.... I m glad your not to bad about it.

I have a question that I m hoping some one might be able to help me with. I ve spent some time going through the medications i was given on my cycle. When I left the hosipital after FET I was given Pregnyl 1500 i.u. Injections. One was to have the day after FET and the second another 4 days later. I have done a huge internet search to find reference to it being used after FET and I can not find anything that says thats when its used and its effectiveness. What I have found however is that it is actually used to bring on "o".

Does anyone know where i can find this information or has anyone else had it after FET

**briggsy's girl** · February 5th, 2008, 07:46 PM

pregnyl is another form of progesterone support (like the pessaries) - i used it for support in IUI's rahter than pessaries...

**MeredithD** · February 5th, 2008, 08:00 PM

Evening ladies,
Thankyou for the lovely welcome. I did feel a bit hesitant coming in here given I have achieved the miracle baby I know you are all longing for. I hope my presence doesn't bother anyone and I will remind you all (and hopefully myself!) that AC really DOES work.
Theresep - with regards to the thin lining and AF - yes, the thiner my lining, the lighter AF. Not sure how or if age does affect it but I think I have read somewhere that older women can have thinner linings. Does not mean you won't get pg though. The cycle I feel pg with my son I only had 6mm lining (think they like 8mm+). Last 2 cycles only getting 4mm (and quite light AF) which really is TOO thin!

Natty - what a stress re your ET. Hope you got a large apology from the FS.

Butterfly - when is your transfer? Do you still have to take meds when doing a natural cycle?

Salt Princess - so sorry for your BFN and how brave are you to be taking it so well. Lets hope getting 2 follies does the trick. I always like to see 2 for my cycles but its that fine line between 2 or maybe 3 and then to many so cycle cancelled. I've had one cancelled for to many follies and I was sooo disappointed. felt like a real waste of eggs,time etc.

Angel babies - I haven't done a full IVF or FET cycle but in my IUI cycles, I get the two pregnyl 1500iu shots around the same timing. Pregnyl is actually HCG but is very similar to and acts like LH. To trigger ovulation you get the 5000iu or 10000iu pregnyl shot which acts like a surge of LH. The 1500iu shots are to help keep the corpus luteum functioning well and keep progesterone levels up. Have they had concerns re your prog levels? Maybe they are just trying to give you embie the best chance. I had these pregnyl boosters last cycle even though i've never really had progesterone issues. HTHs!!

**butterfly_warrior** · February 5th, 2008, 08:05 PM

Meredith, I sort of take meds for a natural cycle. Because I have bad PCOS I don't ovulate naturally (and hyperstimulate with full stim cycles!) so my FS has me take a medication that works in a similar way to clomid. I take it from days 4-8, and then just sit back and wait to ovulate. I have on progesterone pessary the night before transfer (which I believe is to soften the cervix), and that's it. When I look at the complicated processes that women go through for medicated FET cycles, I feel very, very lucky that my specialist prefers to go this way, rather than bending our bodies to his will.

Salt, so sorry to read about the BFN.

Hope the new plan works and you can maintain that forward focus. I'm finding that it's the only way to get through all of this.

BW

**Baby Angels** · February 5th, 2008, 09:29 PM

Thank You....... Always feel s much better to have something that is going around in your mind cleared up.

Thank You

**Acacia** · February 6th, 2008, 10:04 AM

Hi everyone,

I can only drop in for a very short amount of time - I miss BB terribly, really terribly, but I have no internet access other than paying for wireless in cafes or limited time at the library about once a week, depending on when I get the car when DH works from home.

I have read as much as I can of how you are all doing before I get booted off this session!

To the newbies, welcome to BB

I hope you find it an inspirational and supportive place.

Jbub, congratulations!!!

I wish you a very happy and healthy pregnancy, and will be really happy to hear when the 12 weeks are over for you.

SP, I'm sorry to hear about your BFN, hun. Glad to hear there's a new plan of attack.

To all the others in the thread, please know I am thinking of you all the time and I am trying to stay with you in the small time I have on BB. Many hugs and lots of support from miss_c in country vic!

I'm afraid I'm looking at a BFN in the next 24 hours. AF is coming along exactly on time, as all my symptoms are the same, at exactly the equivalent time post ovulation as my first BFN in December - BB no longer sore, headache today, spotting since yesterday. We'll wait and see for sure, but POAS was absolutely blank yesterday, 11 DPO (my luteal phase is 13 days). I'm going to try and get my b/t moved fwd as it's not happening til Monday, and that may be too late to see FS and get started for the next cycle - a medicated FET. I don't know much about medicated FET's other than having to start meds at day 5. I can't even remember the name of the meds!

DH and I are talking about transferring two, as we only have two cycles available until we move o/s, which has been confirmed for April 16 (visa came through approved a couple of days ago - some good news!) It feels a bit premature to be talking about all this before AF has even arrived, but I think I know my body, and we need to have plans to take advantage of the time we have as much as possible - it's also helping with the disappointment to be thinking forward.

Will come and check BB again and see how everyone is as far as I possibly can in the next week.

I hope you are all ok, and I will be thinking of you and sending you lots of warm thoughts.

Miss C

**deni** · February 6th, 2008, 10:34 AM

Hey gals,
Salt, again I'm so sorry about your BFN :hugs: - glad you're thinking of a future plan and enjoying that glass of vino!
Sorry it's a really quick visit from me girls but I've only just got into work from the clinic and it's already 10.30 !
I was disappoited at my scan results as my first planned IVF has only brought about 2 mature folli's from the dose I was given of puregon.. so now I'm in a dilemma about whether to proceed, or switch to IUI. so confused about what to do... they were great at the clinic and let me talk to the embryologist and a doctor about it.. chances of twins with IUI but not being certain of fertilisation occuring, vs. the advantage of IVF to see more of what's going on and higher chance of success BUT with the concern of unsuccessful egg collection or fertilisation... also they'd insist on using ICSI (because of low egg number) which I wasn't counting on and will have to get my head around. I've posted a new thread to get other people's experiences of this...

Hope everyoen is doing great and I'll check up on you all later tonight!

**belle333** · February 6th, 2008, 04:46 PM

Hey Deni - thanks for the info. I've had my suspicions about the progesterone. When I was tested it was fine - but that was one BT on one day - I'm sure that it changes. Is Vitex a prescription drug?

Hey Saltprincess - I'm sorry to hear your news

I have to admit I've not heard of a chemical preg before - could someone please tell me how that happens??

**farmgirl77** · February 6th, 2008, 05:20 PM

Hello all,
Saltprincess - really sorry to hear about the BFN - and what rotten timing

. Dont be too hard on yourself if you get emotional, upset and frustrated, it is more than understandable. Hang in there, believe that 2007 was the year for bad luck and that 2008 will turn it all around.

miss c -

, but if it does come good luck with how you go forward.

deni - we have not been in your situation, so I cant comment directly, but I guess you have to go with what is going to give you the best shot - did the clinic/your specialist give you any guidence on this? There is nothing worse than having to make huge decisions in a short space of time, but I'm guessing that either option is valid, maybe just do what feels right to you as you are the one that has to make sense of the decision in the long term - whatever the outcome.

Started acupuncture last night. Not sure if it was that, or just the fact I felt like I was doing something positive, but I felt better today than I have for a while- plus I think that my body if finally getting rid of all the down reg cycle drugs! Now I just have to deal with the stresses of work and potential restructure and finding a new job in the org...my boss is leaving and the group I'm in has an uncertain future. NOT great timing to have happening when I just want to do IVF and get pg, but hey, you can't time these things...

Hope that everyone else is good and happy

FG

**MeredithD** · February 6th, 2008, 07:52 PM

Miss C -so sorry you are feeling a BFN coming. Don't you just HATE that witch AF for rearing her ugly head. I hope you only need to squeeze one FET in before heading o/s with a growing belly.

Deni - I can certainly understand your disapointment and the dilema you now face. Wish there was a right or wrong answer but as the other ladies have said, its a very personal choice.
Myself, i would probably lean towards the IUI and at least give those 2 eggies a definite chance (and save yourself some $$). I had 2 mature follies on the IUI cycle I fell pg and only got a singleton. I look back now and am so grateful there was 2 as obviously one wasn't good enough.
However, I do understand the desire to know more about fertilisation etc and realistically, it only takes one good embie to get you pg - you might get 2!.
Let us know what you decide.
Well, i'm at cd5 and day 3 of injecting. The puregon is no problem but doing the pregnyl every second day is a real pain (literally!!). I have clexane (anticoagulant to help prevent m/c) injections starting the day after IUI and my belly is still very bruised from these in the last cycle. Finding it hard to get a spot thats "fresh".
Blood test saturday and probably scan on monday. praying for a thicker lining this time

**deni** · February 6th, 2008, 09:45 PM

Hey everyone
Belle - vitex isn't prescription, it's a herbal remedy, caste berry, available at health food stores - there is a thread on BB where it is discussed ("herbal remedies") - I'd recommend checking it out.

Well as it turns out the FS wanted me to go ahead with IVF.. i could have argued for IUI but I trust their judgement and feel at least we're trying something differnt this month.

they get at least 1 good one at EPU that fertilises well... I guess I figured that if it doesn't fertilise with IVF then it probably wouldn't have naturally anyway.. i dont know if that's right but anyway we'll hope for the best and the worse case scenario would be that we just learn a little more about what's going on...