Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - September/October 2009
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I haven't been here for awhile, so firstly a HUGE congratulations to the ladies (four of us, I think) who got their positive result in the past month. You must be so excited, relived and grateful. Good luck on this next stage of your journey.
Onja and Emerald, thanks for your positivity, which I've been in dire need of. (And I haven't even really started on this rollercoaster ride yet! Just started the pill and have my first nurse appointment next week). After having a big fight (and making up) with DH this week, he very gently pointed out that there's always someone much worse off, that we should try to approach this as an adventure rather than a disaster, and that above all, we have to stay "tight" (ie, there for each other).
I hereby resolve to focus on, and be grateful for, the positives!
Just a quick question before I go off to bed. I have an US booked to look at my follicles (I think to determine medication dosage?). My referral says it should be done between days 7 and 14 of my cycle, but I can only get in on day 14/15. Do you think this will be a drama? If so, I will have to try to rebook at another place in a nearby town. Oh, the joys of living in country NSW!
I hope everyone has a great Sunday, and I'm sending big positive vibes to all of you. Just the fact that we're all here, prepared to go through this and support each other, makes us AWESOME! Rowr!
Still not much to report at my end..... still waiting for AF to arrive. She is now 8 days late!! How long have other ladies waited for AF in the cycle off following a full stim? Feeling a bit like I am in no mans land at the moment.
Catlin - great to see you feeling so positive. I truly hope you find success on your adventure! Re your scan to look at your follicles - your clinic should be able to confirm but I would have thought that day 14/15 would be too late. As a guide I had my one and only scan 11 days after beginning Puregon and EPU was 15 days after beginning Puregon.
Tantee - All the best for your BT tomorrow. I had a chemical pregnancy on my last cycle which didn't even register on a HPT. that your HPT was a false negative and your BHcG has risen over the weekend
Juniper - congratulations again. GL for your BT Tuesday.... it's amazing to see miracles like this happen.
EmeraldStar - Thanks for your positive words of encouragement. I hope you get to make it to the October wall of fame! All the best for your EPU on Monday. I am praying that you get some great quality little embies. Oh and re your earlier Q regarding Taurean - we cycled together in August and she got a BFP. I think she still accesses this site but has moved over to the pregnancy treads.
MHIC - congratulations on your anniversary and having a DH who sounds delightfully thoughtful and romantic... (I will have to show DH so he can get a few ideas before our anniversary in Nov).
Coral - with the latest cycle I hope you find success and get to join the October Wall of Fame!
Nix - We have 3 little frosties. One of them is a hatching blastie so I really hope that one survives the thaw. Not sure why my FS wants me to do the pesseries but as you say all FS are different. I guess she just want me to have the extra support. Are you in an off cycle? If so are you having AF delays like me?
Goodvibes - and wishing you all the best on your TWW. I haven't done a FET yet but from what I have read some embryos get damaged by the freezing process so they then degenerate upon thawing. It is just luck of the draw. Some women will loose no embryos in the thaw but other may loose many. The actual thaw takes about 3 hours and it can be done the day before or the morning of ET. that this ones sticks.
Jilly - from me also. I am only taking Elevit at the moment but I am considering taking some Chinese herbs in my next FET which my acupuncturist has recommended. I agree that you shouldn't have to pay the full bill for your cancelled IUI and I would push the issue if they continue to try and charge you for the full cycle.
Edie - from me also. GL with the latest stim. I hope you find success this cycle.
Airline, Melttc, SonjaLouise, Onja, AllyG, Tracy, Lise and anyone else I have missed - This post has turned in to an essay so I will just say hello and wish you all the best for the various stages of your latest stim cycle. I look forward to hearing more details soon.
Mitf xo
Last edited by mitf; September 27th, 2009 at 02:58 PM.
Goodvibes- to you and yes I agree it is frustrating, I have felt like a number & a little treated like a child through the process, its a bit like we know what we are doing and you dont need to ((hugs)) I have my FX'd that this little embie is a sticky for you
Everyone else GL with whereever your at, IM still feeling a bit out of the loop atm, trying to keep up with everyone lol
I am back from Apollo Bay, where it was windy, raining and hailing! Much like the rest of vic so I have heard. Still had a great time though, went on the Otway Fly Tree Top Walk and it was fantastic.
I promised myself I wouldn?t get on the computer today, but I just can?t help myself.
Emerald Star- Thank you for sharing the positives, you have inspired me to explore the TWW threads. I have really only stuck to this one. Good luck for tomorrow, sending positive thoughts your way.
Tantee- Hope you get some good news tomorrow!
Juniper76- The feeling a BFP gives you when you have been trying so long is fabulous, as my FS said to me when I had one ? You are a better candidate for carrying a baby to term now that you have had a positive test? Whenever I am feeling down I replay that comment in my head. I hope the levels keep rising.
Coral73- I started on stims last Wednesday, am just beginning to feel some ovary pain. I had the same problem with lucrin. Headaches have been very bad, though I have to say today is a good day.
Airline- Lucrin is an alternative to Synarel. It is a once a day injection, more expensive then Synarel though. I have used Synarel before and I couldn?t stand it. I also had a BFP while taking it and I shouldn?t have so they decided Lucrin was a better option. Apart from the headaches I am glad I am using it.
Goodvibes- Welcome good luck with your cycle sending some your way
AFM- Scan tomorrow, counting down the hours and hoping that I don?t have to be on injections too much longer.
Calin- Not sure how your cycle is working. I was on a long down reg as well. I had a scan the day I started the pill to check there were no problems in the ovaries. Then my next scan was 21 days later, that was the down reg scan to check that everything was quiet and that there were no signs of ovulation. On the day I had my down reg scan I started the GonalF.
If you call the nurse you have an app with she should be able to tell you what your scan is for. It sounds like it would be to check that there are no issues with ovaries like cysts before you start on synarel or lucrin. If that is the case then one day should not make a difference, but to be on the safe side I would try to get in a bit earlier.
I hope that wasn?t too confusing?.
Mitf - I don't know what is "normal" to get AF, but for me i had the pregnancy and then after all the black gunk had stopped i started the bleed all up it was about 1 week...maybe anyday now for you. Are you pretty reg otherwise ? Do you have any AF symptoms? Maybe pregggo???? (between cycles) I also hope you and all the other ladies cycling at the moment join me in that October wall of fame!
sonyalouise - How long do you have in your 2WW? we need to start someone with a BFP for our October wall of fame!!
AFM - Excited, but abit apprehensive at the moment...we'll see by lunch tomorrow what we got!
EmeraldStar - don't think I am preggers.... no, no symtoms. No AF symptoms either. I usually have a regular 28 day cycle - my system is obviously just struggling after the stim. My FS wanted me to have a month off so this will be my second bleed since my chemical pregnancy.
Sonyalouise - We are having the same wonderful weather in NSW - glad it didn't ruin your weekend and you had a good time away. for the scan tomorrow.
Juniper - great news - I hope the levels keep going up (whatever that means - as I have to say i don't really understand what you are all talking about there - I assume it has something to do with a hormone reading?) but anyway hope all stays positive for you
Mitf - I'm in a natural FET - so trying to figure out ovulation for me at the moment - doing the pee tests and once we predict it we can book in a FET. Just hope I don't miss that surge. I have another scan tomorrow to check how things are. Still think it is a little early - but maybe a few more days?
Tantee - we are only putting 1 back (we have 2 frozen) and I'm praying the first one thaws OK but as this is only the 2nd transfer we will only put 1 back. I think if we have to go around more than 4 times then we might start to think about putting more than 1 back - but I really don't want twins. I can see how my thoughts on this may change tho if I have to go through all this for much longer - I don't know how you all do it - but I guess you all just do. Sorry to see you got a BFN reading. I have a feel I will be a month behind you in a fresh stim cycle - I know not a positive attitude going into a FET - but we shall wait and see.
Emerald - it is good to read so many BFP's - it is nice to be reminded that IT DOES HAPPEN! I also kind of feel sad like why is my name not there - and then I also think Gosh I hope I will be there in October like you said. I am truly happy for all those listed tho as, without checking the details, think they have all had to endure more than what I have so far and I am glad finally the first hurdle is over for them. Look after yourselves ladies and good luck for a happy & healthy pg.
Good luck for your EPU on Monday - I hope there are lots of eggs for you - but hopefully you just need the one!
Coral - GL for this cycle. I hope it produces lots of eggs and that one of them will get success for you.
Edie - Don't sweat the small stuff is good hey - I have not read that for a while - tho I think you have to already be mildly positive to have that outlook - I am still not sure why I deserve the challenge of this IVF thing and quite frankly think I would be fine without it. I have never been one for patience and this certainly is not teaching me any new ideas/feelings on that. The only positive spin I can think from it is that our baby will be sooo much more loved if that is more possible than parents who get to conceive naturally - OK that doesn't sound right - but maybe somehow appreciated more and considered more of a miracle than those who are lucky enough not to endure our pain.
Emerald - Did you hear from Taureen - you are right we have not seen her for a bit? You added a late congrats - did she get a BFP? Nice news if so.
Goddvibes - Welcome!
Ladies - I know I have missed so many of you - I hope you had a nice weekend and the upcoming week is good to you. GL to anyone getting results or starting a new cycle or anything exciting this week. Hope to read some more good news posts by the end of the month!
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I hope everyone has enjoyed their weekend. Personally, it went way too fast for me and I can't believe that I am sitting back at work again, aargghh!
Airline - sonyalouise is right... So yay!!! we can be cycle sisters . I also take my last pill on the 29th and then next up after that is a baseline scan and BT this Friday. If all goes well than I am scheduled to start FSH on Wednesday, 7 October 2009. Such a long process isn't it? Oh well.... patience is a virtue and I guess we will get there eventually! Do you know when you are due to start FSH?
Emerald Star - It has definitely brought me some perspective so thank you again . Makes me feel like it will happen one day for all of us... It's funny how during this process someone can just say something that helps and then you tend to hang on to it during those tough times! GOOD LUCK with you scan today and I hope you get some good results!
Goodvibes - My DH also has fertility issues. He has a very low count (2million), poor motility and morphology. Not sure if this will help or relates directly to your situation but our FS told me that after fertilisation (we have to use ICSI) that during the first 3-4 days, the egg does all the work (we had 9 going strong still at this stage) and then the sperm takes over for the next couple of days. We lost 6 eggs here and were only able to freeze 2. One did not survive the thaw and we did a FET with the other. I'm not sure about why you loose eggs on the thaw but here is an extract from my patient handbook:
Failed Embryo Survival
There is a 20% failure rate. It is rare for all embryos to survive freeze/thawing however usually at least one survives in good condition. In around 15-20% of cases none of the embryos survive and the transfer must be cancelled.
I just know that every couples situation is different and that you should definitely speak to your FS if you have any concerns and push for answers if need be.
Lastly, but most importantly... GOOD LUCK with your 2WW and try not to stress yourself out too much. I know it's easier said than done of course!
calin - Hello . I'm not sure about the answer to you question (sorry) but good luck on your cycle and hopefully it will be your last (due to getting a BFP of course)!
mtif - Thank you and it would be great to join the October Wall of Fame, he, he! On my 1st stim cycle I got AF 2 days before the BT was due and then it came 4 days late during my next cycle. I hope you get her soon so that you can get back on track again.
Tracy - Were are you up to with your cycle... Are you doing another stim soon?
sonyalouise - The headaches are bad aren't they? Mine seem to have gone away now though, which is good. GOOD LUCK with your scan today.. is it to see how many follies you have?
Nix - Thanks for the well wishes... Good Luck with the scan and catching that surge !
Anyway, better get back to work, he, he! Hope everyone has good results this week with where ever they are up to!
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Nix76 - Firstly, i'd like to say your turn will come...just like it will for all of us. Hang in there. I also noticed you are not sure when people talk about levels going up..this is called your Beta Hcg levels which determine the state of your pregnancy. This "number" should double every 48 hrs for a great pregnancy, it can triple or so...and women can also have viable pregnancies even if they don't double every 48 hrs..just depends. But Usually all is good when doubling...confused??? Ask your nurses next time to explain properly..i don't know if i've explained it well enough.
Coral73, mitf and everyone else
AFM - TODAY Had EPU 10 eggs colleccted now lets wait and see if any make it to blast.
My clinic call at 11am everyday and give you updates on your embies...now i can't wait till tomorrow..i will also be told grade and quality tomorrow...i'll let you know. ET will be on Saturday...God willing!
Emerald Star - Congratulations that's fantastic! I got 10 eggs last time too. I hope you are doing ok... put your feet up and rest up. with the updates and getting lots to blastie.
Nix76 - Mitf was cycling with Taurean and she posted that Tuarean got a BFP!!
So exciting isn't it !!! To think they were where we are and now they have moved on the pregnancy threads....I really hope they ALL have H & H nine months....all i ask is they let us know what they had..Boys, girls, twins....
Yeah for AF!! She may be 8 days late but at least she is finally here we can start moving ahead. I have called the clinic and I am booked in for my first BT on day 10.
Coral - I agree that the weekend went way to fast.... back to the grind. Thanks for the info on failed thaws. We are heading that way now so it was good to know at my end too.
Nix - Sounds like you are a lot further along in your FET. you find success this time. Further to EmeraldStar's explanation ? Beta HCG is the pregnancy hormone that your clinic is looking for at your confirmation BT. Some people get a low reading that doesn't end up making it (a chemical pregnancy). The clinics are usually looking for a reading over 100 that should double every 48 hours although some start a little slow before they finally get their racing stripes. Incidentally it is the Beta HcG hormone that makes you need to pee all the time when you are first preggers. The presence of it irritates your bladder which cause you to feel like going to the toilet more often even if your bladder isn't actually full.... which I thought was interesting when I first found out!
Calin - did you get any more details about your scan? SonjaLouise explanation sounds like it might be on the money. I did down reg without the pill. I had a BT to check things were ok before starting my injections so my first scan was actually to check my follies.... hope I didn't confuse you.
EmeraldStar - don't work too hard.... make sure you save some chores for DH.
Emerald- I am not in tww yet, I was just popping in to read some positive stories. I am so happy about your egg pick up, what great results. Can I ask what dose of FSH you were on? I know you probably mentioned it earlier, but it is so hard to keep up with everyone?s story.
Nix76- Good luck with tracking that surge. I tried everything when I was TTC naturally, temp, OPK and spit tests. I could never pinpoint it. Is that the way all FET?s work? Checking for ovulation then transferring? If so I might be in a bit of trouble if I need to have an FET.
Lise- Did you have a scan today? I would be interested in hearing your results.
Mitf- Any sign of AF?
AFM- I had a scan today and I was a little bit confused when I first went in because the FS said that he expected to see a lot of follicles at 15mm and then we could organise EP. This was my first scan, I have only been on FSH for 5 days. I have about 8 follies, 2 at about 12mm, 3 around 10mm and 3 less than 10.
He was quite disappointed and asked if I was taking the injections properly, he then said he would increase the dose. The FS then looked at my file and said that he thought this was my second scan not my first and I had been on injections for 10 days! That he was sorry and that this was a good result for the first scan, but then he increased my dose from 300 to 375 anyway.
So now I am confused, I don?t know if this is a good result or not. If it was a good result why did he increase the dose anyway? I go in for another scan on Friday and my FS predicts that EP will be Monday or Tuesday.
If anyone could remember their results from their first scan I would be interested to hear. Is there a chance that more follicles will grow between now and Friday?
Hope you had a good Monday, another day down and another day closer to our
Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - September/October 2009
Hi everyone,
that your HPT was a false negative and your BHcG has risen over the weekend
with the latest cycle I hope you find success and get to join the October Wall of Fame!
and wishing you all the best on your TWW. I haven't done a FET yet but from what I have read some embryos get damaged by the freezing process so they then degenerate upon thawing. It is just luck of the draw. Some women will loose no embryos in the thaw but other may loose many. The actual thaw takes about 3 hours and it can be done the day before or the morning of ET. 
we can be cycle sisters 
. Makes me feel like it will happen one day for all of us... It's funny how during this process someone can just say something that helps and then you tend to hang on to it during those tough times! GOOD LUCK 
. I'm not sure about the answer to you question (sorry) but good luck on your cycle and hopefully it will be your last (due to getting a BFP of course)!
! I will keep everything crossed 
for my BB friends.
So now I am confused, I don?t know if this is a good result or not. If it was a good result why did he increase the dose anyway? I go in for another scan on Friday and my FS predicts that EP will be Monday or Tuesday.
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