Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - September/October 2009
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I haven't been here for awhile, so firstly a HUGE congratulations to the ladies (four of us, I think) who got their positive result in the past month. You must be so excited, relived and grateful. Good luck on this next stage of your journey.
Onja and Emerald, thanks for your positivity, which I've been in dire need of. (And I haven't even really started on this rollercoaster ride yet! Just started the pill and have my first nurse appointment next week). After having a big fight (and making up) with DH this week, he very gently pointed out that there's always someone much worse off, that we should try to approach this as an adventure rather than a disaster, and that above all, we have to stay "tight" (ie, there for each other).
I hereby resolve to focus on, and be grateful for, the positives!
Just a quick question before I go off to bed. I have an US booked to look at my follicles (I think to determine medication dosage?). My referral says it should be done between days 7 and 14 of my cycle, but I can only get in on day 14/15. Do you think this will be a drama? If so, I will have to try to rebook at another place in a nearby town. Oh, the joys of living in country NSW!
I hope everyone has a great Sunday, and I'm sending big positive vibes to all of you. Just the fact that we're all here, prepared to go through this and support each other, makes us AWESOME! Rowr!
Still not much to report at my end..... still waiting for AF to arrive. She is now 8 days late!! How long have other ladies waited for AF in the cycle off following a full stim? Feeling a bit like I am in no mans land at the moment.
Catlin - great to see you feeling so positive. I truly hope you find success on your adventure! Re your scan to look at your follicles - your clinic should be able to confirm but I would have thought that day 14/15 would be too late. As a guide I had my one and only scan 11 days after beginning Puregon and EPU was 15 days after beginning Puregon.
Tantee - All the best for your BT tomorrow. I had a chemical pregnancy on my last cycle which didn't even register on a HPT. that your HPT was a false negative and your BHcG has risen over the weekend
Juniper - congratulations again. GL for your BT Tuesday.... it's amazing to see miracles like this happen.
EmeraldStar - Thanks for your positive words of encouragement. I hope you get to make it to the October wall of fame! All the best for your EPU on Monday. I am praying that you get some great quality little embies. Oh and re your earlier Q regarding Taurean - we cycled together in August and she got a BFP. I think she still accesses this site but has moved over to the pregnancy treads.
MHIC - congratulations on your anniversary and having a DH who sounds delightfully thoughtful and romantic... (I will have to show DH so he can get a few ideas before our anniversary in Nov).
Coral - with the latest cycle I hope you find success and get to join the October Wall of Fame!
Nix - We have 3 little frosties. One of them is a hatching blastie so I really hope that one survives the thaw. Not sure why my FS wants me to do the pesseries but as you say all FS are different. I guess she just want me to have the extra support. Are you in an off cycle? If so are you having AF delays like me?
Goodvibes - and wishing you all the best on your TWW. I haven't done a FET yet but from what I have read some embryos get damaged by the freezing process so they then degenerate upon thawing. It is just luck of the draw. Some women will loose no embryos in the thaw but other may loose many. The actual thaw takes about 3 hours and it can be done the day before or the morning of ET. that this ones sticks.
Jilly - from me also. I am only taking Elevit at the moment but I am considering taking some Chinese herbs in my next FET which my acupuncturist has recommended. I agree that you shouldn't have to pay the full bill for your cancelled IUI and I would push the issue if they continue to try and charge you for the full cycle.
Edie - from me also. GL with the latest stim. I hope you find success this cycle.
Airline, Melttc, SonjaLouise, Onja, AllyG, Tracy, Lise and anyone else I have missed - This post has turned in to an essay so I will just say hello and wish you all the best for the various stages of your latest stim cycle. I look forward to hearing more details soon.
Mitf xo
Last edited by mitf; September 27th, 2009 at 02:58 PM.
Goodvibes- to you and yes I agree it is frustrating, I have felt like a number & a little treated like a child through the process, its a bit like we know what we are doing and you dont need to ((hugs)) I have my FX'd that this little embie is a sticky for you
Everyone else GL with whereever your at, IM still feeling a bit out of the loop atm, trying to keep up with everyone lol
I am back from Apollo Bay, where it was windy, raining and hailing! Much like the rest of vic so I have heard. Still had a great time though, went on the Otway Fly Tree Top Walk and it was fantastic.
I promised myself I wouldn?t get on the computer today, but I just can?t help myself.
Emerald Star- Thank you for sharing the positives, you have inspired me to explore the TWW threads. I have really only stuck to this one. Good luck for tomorrow, sending positive thoughts your way.
Tantee- Hope you get some good news tomorrow!
Juniper76- The feeling a BFP gives you when you have been trying so long is fabulous, as my FS said to me when I had one ? You are a better candidate for carrying a baby to term now that you have had a positive test? Whenever I am feeling down I replay that comment in my head. I hope the levels keep rising.
Coral73- I started on stims last Wednesday, am just beginning to feel some ovary pain. I had the same problem with lucrin. Headaches have been very bad, though I have to say today is a good day.
Airline- Lucrin is an alternative to Synarel. It is a once a day injection, more expensive then Synarel though. I have used Synarel before and I couldn?t stand it. I also had a BFP while taking it and I shouldn?t have so they decided Lucrin was a better option. Apart from the headaches I am glad I am using it.
Goodvibes- Welcome good luck with your cycle sending some your way
AFM- Scan tomorrow, counting down the hours and hoping that I don?t have to be on injections too much longer.
Calin- Not sure how your cycle is working. I was on a long down reg as well. I had a scan the day I started the pill to check there were no problems in the ovaries. Then my next scan was 21 days later, that was the down reg scan to check that everything was quiet and that there were no signs of ovulation. On the day I had my down reg scan I started the GonalF.
If you call the nurse you have an app with she should be able to tell you what your scan is for. It sounds like it would be to check that there are no issues with ovaries like cysts before you start on synarel or lucrin. If that is the case then one day should not make a difference, but to be on the safe side I would try to get in a bit earlier.
I hope that wasn?t too confusing?.
Mitf - I don't know what is "normal" to get AF, but for me i had the pregnancy and then after all the black gunk had stopped i started the bleed all up it was about 1 week...maybe anyday now for you. Are you pretty reg otherwise ? Do you have any AF symptoms? Maybe pregggo???? (between cycles) I also hope you and all the other ladies cycling at the moment join me in that October wall of fame!
sonyalouise - How long do you have in your 2WW? we need to start someone with a BFP for our October wall of fame!!
AFM - Excited, but abit apprehensive at the moment...we'll see by lunch tomorrow what we got!
I've been poking around the site for a little while and have decided to join the chat. I am about to start my first IVF cycle on Thursday and trying to keep the anxiety under control!
My story so far is that we have been TTC for about 3 years without absolutely no success but was repeatedly told by my GP just to keep trying due to my (relatively) young age. Finally changed doctors and was referred to FS in January. Turns out the endometriosis I've suffered from for almost 20 years is to blame, with scar tissue preventing anything from happening.
So here we are! i'm looking forward to sharing the experience with others going through the same thing as I have no one around me who really understands...
Good luck to everyone- may we all be blessed soon.
Well where to begin. AF is just about gone and has been extremely well behaved which was great. Lucrin injection dash from my cousins wedding Friday night went well which was a relief. Started my Puregon injections Sat night at the lovely dose of 375IUs. All good there so far, no real side effects to speak of but I suppose, early days right??? Not so sure that no side effects is good though.
Had my BT bright and early yesterday morning to check on my estrogen levels and for the FS to see whether we need to increase or stay on the same dose of FSH. However, as we speak, I still don't have my next lot of instructions (I do normally get my next lot of instructions around lunch time the day of the BT). So I called my nurse at 4.50pm yesterday all worried as to what was going on. She apologised so many times and explained to myself that they haven't been able to get a hold of my FS at all . All I could assume was that he has been busy in surgery etc understandable but frustrating none the less. So had a quick chat with the nurse about my levels. Nothing official so to speak but she was trying to help me given the situation of not being able to contact the FS. I let her know that I was anxious to see how I responded on this dose of Puregon given that It was such a high dose. The response I received I didn't like and got me worried. Nurse let me know that I responded pretty much in the same way as my first cycle and then I was only on 175IUs of FSH. She told me that my estrogen levels at my BT last Thurs was 119 and then yesterday morning, was only slightly increased to 143. Not much difference if you ask me, especially for a daily FSH injection of 375. I have tried to rationalise it all, telling myself that I take my injections at 9.30pm and my first one was Sat night and so by the time BT rolled around on Tues morn, technically it was only 2 to 2.5days of FSH. So am hoping against hope it goes up. Last night though I hit the internet and looked up about the estrogen levels and now have myself in a state of worry. Im worried to say the least that things are going down the exact same path as last cycle. Is someone upstairs trying to tell me something??????
So spoke to the nurse this morning just to see if there is anything else I can be doing to get my levels up and unfortunately, theres not. Just have to hang here and wait. All I can hope is that they go way up before the next BT and possibly my first US. Nurse also confirmed that my FS did contact them there late last night after they had all gone and so will be speaking with him today and then calling me with my "official" next lot of instructions (we both agreed after not hearing from FS last night to just continue on the dose of 375IU's). Nurse also assured me that she will have a good chat with FS and I have asked her to let him know that I want to know if there is anything else I can do.
I just don't understand why this is happening. Im even doing acupuncture on a weekly basis and have had about 6 treatments now. Surely things should be better than what they are.
Have had the worst night, didn't really sleep much and now have the sorest eyes and head because of the crying. Almost lost it on the phone too this morning when talking to the nurse. I hope that these emotions are an indication of my raging hormones. DH even told me last night when laying in bed awake that If this one doesnt work, we will give going natural a go. Its only a 50/50 chance the baby wont have his gene though. So who knows .
Will be sure to let you know what happens when I get my call later.
I'm sorry for being so quiet- I've had an unbelievably busy week not the least of which has been all this attempted baby making...
Motherhood- Oh Sweetie, I'm so sorry to hear you going through this turmoil. As if all this isn't challenging enough without FSs going AWOL. My best advice to you is to focus on what you can control- taking your drugs, your diet, sleep (if you can) and generally being kind to yourself. As wonderful a resource as the internet can be, sometimes ignorance is bliss and you may just get yourself more confused and stressed by searching for information. I know it is so hard but put your faith in the experts that they know what they're doing. I think they can get a little bit blase about all this as it is their job and sometimes forget the emotional and physical toll it takes on us. Thinking of you, Honey.
Nix- I'm so so sorry to hear your news but so pleased to hear you are feeling better today. Keep your chin up, Honey. Your anonymous support network is with you every step of the way.
Coral- My Lord, 27 eggs! That's amazing but is it good or bad!! Surely there'll be some good one's amongst that lot? Please keep us updated. When are you scheduled for transfer?
Melttc- Stay positive about the 5 lovely eggs you got. Hopefully they are strong and healthy and ready to do the job. for transfer.
Sonyalouise- try to stay positive, Honey. I have everything crossed for you.
AFM- I had my second scan on Friday and the news was much better that the previous when there were only 5 follies. On Friday there were 3 on each side that FS liked the look of, a few smaller ones that he thought might be ready by EPU and a couple of larger ones that he thought wouldn't be the best quality. I left feeling much more positive and reassured that FS knew what he was doing. At my first scan when I expressed concern about the low numbers he told me that he was happy with my progress and that my E2 levels were indicating that everything was as it should be and it appears he was right.
EPU finally rolled around yesterday and we ended up with 8 eggs which I am thrilled about. That seems like a good solid number and now I'm just waiting for 1.30 when I can call the scientist. Fingers crossed.
To all those I've addressed personally and those I haven't, I'm thinking of you all.
I'm back at work today (bummer!). I hope everyone is well and things are going to plan with your cycle (where ever you are at!).
motherhood here i come - I am so sorry to hear that you estragon levels are not rising higher with the increased FSH dose... I am that you get a sudden spike before your next BT and that your FS will be able to assist with getting those stubborn numbers moving in the right direction. Know that we are all here for support and big hugs to you . This is definitely a very trying time in our lives and I keep going back to the fact that when we all finally get there...it will be that much sweeter...
Nix - It is pretty overwhelming to consider doing another stim. I faced that scenario not long ago.... I must admit that this cycle has been considerably easier to manage than the 1st as I have allot more knowledge of what to expect and what questions to ask. Good Luck with cycle #2 and I pray that it will be your last!
I will definitely have a chat to FS about a reduction in FSH.. seems like the logical thing to me - maybe 125iu.... Not that I am any expert of course, he, he!
Loops - Still have my fingers crossed that AF is nowhere to be seen... you just never know! Thank you for your support about my little eggs making it to day 5. I am so hoping...
sonyalouise - I am so sorry to hear that you have had some bleeding.. I am that it was implantation and not nasty AF on her way. Don't give up hope yet as some ladies do bleed a little and are still pregnant.... I think that our clinic's wouldn't bother getting us in for a BT after a little bit of a bleed if it wasn't possible to still be pregnant . Thanks for the well wishes in getting my little ones to blastie!
lise - GOOD LUCK with the results today! I will be awaiting with anticipation! MMmm... sounding promising... maybe baby brain?? he, he!
Meg - Fantastic! 8 is a very good number.... plenty without too many - yay! Good Luck with the call from the scientist today and I pray that all 8 fertilise for you! Make sure you let us know how you go... very happy for you .
AFM - Well, so far so good with my eggs - yay! All 14 that fertilised have divided as required today and can be described as average to good (last cycle we lost one here). I have even had another egg that didn't fertilise yesterday pick up and now I have 15 on the go... I am very thankful that I have this many and can only continue to pray that more make it to blastie stage this time round! D day seems to be day 5 for us so still along ways to go yet... The scientist did say that we should have a good one to transfer on Saturday so I am really pleased with that! They seem pretty concerned about OHSS due to high egg numbers and keep telling me to drink lots of water and eat lots of protein. I promise I have been doing both and even having 2 glasses of sustegeon everyday!
Last edited by Coral73; October 21st, 2009 at 12:04 PM.
motherhood - sorry you're going through this extra stress during what is a horrible thing in the first place. I had issue once when there was discussion about extending my days of injections for a second time during cycle 2...a conversation had to take place between my FS and the director of clinic..both who had surgery...so at 4pm I still didn't know and gave up on the clinic and phoned FS's rooms myself, and the FS called me back 10 minutes later himself. It just doesn't help us and our state of mind does it?! Good luck hope your phonecall gives you positive news.
Coral...wonderful no.s here's hoping they all keep growing nice and strong.
Meg - you're one day ahead of me..and one no. of eggs ahead of me fingers crossed for us both. are you doing 2/3 day transfer or blastie?
Nix - I can relate to the position you're in...feeling rubbish, then start to look to the next, go over the finances, and slightly bitter, but at least we can give it another go kinda feeling! hugs.
sonya and loops - good luck girls....not over till that big lady's singing.
AFM - most of the nurses said they recognised me...which isn't a good sign as it shows I've been there too many times! Anyway I did say to DH, good job they told me that before I was in theatre, knocked out with legs in stirrups.........sorry had to lighten mood in the room, as I was feeling a bit more 'over it' this morning. DH said, this'll be the last time...I said, 'we said that last time!'
Anyhoo....9 eggs, which after 5 and 5 during first 2 cycles is a no. I'm happy with. Waiting on the call to say how many fertilised.
Feeling a bit sore when I sit down, so off to lie on sofa and watch my shows.
It's a BFP!!!!!!! Reading of 130, nurse didn't comment on the level to indicate more than embie implanted but said we'd find out in the scan in two weeks!
Airline - That is fantastic news!!! 9 is a great number and I have everything crossed for you that all 9 fertilise - yay! Make sure you rest up and drink plenty of water and eat lots of protein! Let us know how they go .
lise - CONGRATULATIONS!!!! That is just the best news and has made me all giddy, he, he !!! So happy for you and it is just great to see some BFP action in here - yiipppeeee!!!!!
Lise - Huge big congratulations to you and DH. Am happy for you guys.
Just an update as finally got my call from the Nurse. Have to go up from 375IUs to 450IUs with an US and BT on Sat morning. Hmmm doesnt make me feel any better but what did help is that my nurse sensed that I wasnt all that good when she told me and actually called me back to have a chat and make sure I was as ok as I can be.
Like I told her, IVF is hard but when your there for genetic reasons and genetic reasons only, when you have these issues, it makes it twice as hard.
Heres hoping my levels go up and up and up. Got nothing else to do but FX and .
Just a quick one from me today as things are a little busy at work so this is a bit of a selfish post !
Firstly, thank you all for all the well wishes regarding my little eggies! It's so good to have all of this support from you lovely ladies who understand this crazy process!
wishes - Welcome back and Good Luck with the FET cycle!
AFM - Have just spoken with the scientist for an update on my little ones this morning and I must admit that my tummy started getting butterflies when I saw the number flash up on the mobile!
So, here is the current update:
1. I was advised that although we haven't officially lost any yet, 2 did not appear to be doing anything so it is probable that we will lose these 2.
2. There are also a few that do not appear to be very healthy (I forgot to ask how many !).
3. The reminder can be classified as being average, although we have 4 really good ones in there - yay!!!
Just spoke with DH and we have both agreed to look at it as though we have 4 on the go.... (this is mainly to avoid a disappointment similar to our last cycle where on day 5 we thought we had eight to freeze to only find out a few days later that we only froze 2!)
Last edited by Coral73; October 22nd, 2009 at 11:19 AM.
Coral - that's a good position to be in and a good outlook - by the sounds of it you should have 4 and if you get more then that will feel like a bonus.
Its good they ring you and keep you updated with hwo they are going. I never got any of that but then we were a 2 day transfer so maybe there was not much time.
Lise - of course you should keep lurking - I think an update from you now and then woudl be good too to see what happens when you finally get a BFP - I know there are other threads for that, but for us who feel like we have travelled the journey with you its nice to still hear how you are doing.
wishes- welcome back, best of luck for your FET cycle. How do you get on with stimming with a FET coz they wont be needing any eggs? will they collect what you do have? Or let them go? Do you still trigger? Sorry all the Q's Ive not been lucky enough to have any frosties as yet so I dont really get how the whole FET thing works
AFM- Heard from clinic yesterday afternoon, no bloods today (yay) Ill be triggering tonight, which realy sucks coz Ill be at work. EPU Saturday, dont have my times yet, will find out later this morning
Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - September/October 2009
Hi everyone,
that your HPT was a false negative and your BHcG has risen over the weekend
with the latest cycle I hope you find success and get to join the October Wall of Fame!
and wishing you all the best on your TWW. I haven't done a FET yet but from what I have read some embryos get damaged by the freezing process so they then degenerate upon thawing. It is just luck of the draw. Some women will loose no embryos in the thaw but other may loose many. The actual thaw takes about 3 hours and it can be done the day before or the morning of ET. 
Not Happy!
. All I could assume was that he has been busy in surgery etc understandable but frustrating none the less. So had a quick chat with the nurse about my levels. Nothing official so to speak but she was trying to help me given the situation of not being able to contact the FS. I let her know that I was anxious to see how I responded on this dose of Puregon given that It was such a high dose. The response I received I didn't like and got me worried. Nurse let me know that I responded pretty much in the same way as my first cycle and then I was only on 175IUs of FSH. She told me that my estrogen levels at my BT last Thurs was 119 and then yesterday morning, was only slightly increased to 143. Not much difference if you ask me, especially for a daily FSH injection of 375. I have tried to rationalise it all, telling myself that I take my injections at 9.30pm and my first one was Sat night and so by the time BT rolled around on Tues morn, technically it was only 2 to 2.5days of FSH. So am hoping against hope it goes up. Last night though I hit the internet and looked up about the estrogen levels and now have myself in a state of worry. Im worried to say the least that things are going down the exact same path as last cycle. Is someone upstairs trying to tell me something??????
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fingers crossed for us both. are you doing 2/3 day transfer or blastie?
.....sorry had to lighten mood in the room, as I was feeling a bit more 'over it' this morning. DH said, this'll be the last time...I said, 'we said that last time!'
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