thanks loops and terry.DP finally got to see them and he has been giving lily plenty of praise.even though i was hand feeding her earlier i told her last few days that when she had puppies i would buy her a burger.so detoured to hungry jacks on way to getting DP from work and she inhaled nearly two whole ones with barely chewing them,i think she was a lil hungry lol.im down the other end of our house sitting on our bed typing and can hear their little noises every so often.figuring out nicknames for them at the moment as our first litter was named after the dogs in the movie snowbuddies lol