Justina - So sorry to hear about your BFN, it never gets any easier does it. I always give myself a consolation bottle of wine & lots of chocolate, I find a glass just won't cut it! I done acupuncture with my last cycle but I'm not bothering this time around due to costs. Also, I did find some of the insertion of the needles quite painful & uncomfy didn't find it relaxing at all.
Minime - Fingers crossed for you
Lairdoz - I always find with my clinic for a FET the transfer takes place 6 days after trigger
Yogi- Why does AF never behave itself & always does the opposite of what you want her to do!!
Loops - How amazing would it be to get a natural BFP, fingers & toes crossed for you
AFM Had my first follicle scan today. Bit dissapointed seems I'm on go slow. I only have one egg that is at 1.5 & all the rest are still only at 1.0. I do remember last time that I was slow to start but then seemed to catch up so not going to stress about it & will just wait & see. I'm guessing I'll have my next scan on Tuesday but the clinic will call me tomorrow to confirm. I'm also very frustrated as my clinic opened a little 'subclinic' literally less than five minutes drive away where I could go for my blood tests and scans but when I went in today the manager informed me that tomorrow is their last day of operation & I'll have to go back to travelling up to the city!!! The lady that runs it is moving to Thailand & they have no one else to run it. Dam it, back to leaving at 05:40 to drive to the city so I can beat the rush hour.
Also quick question, whilst everyone is on the drugs do you do anything different?? We're staying with friends on the weekend & we usually have quite a few wines. I've always still had a glass whilst i'm doing the drugs but because I had such poor egg quality last time not sure if I should or not. Has anybody heard of having a drink effecting the quality of your eggs???
Hi Ladies
Thanks once again for your wishes. Unfortunately I couldnt resist - I think im a serial POAS'er now LOL. It was BFN - 10 dpo approx so maybe a bit early. I'll wait until AF due now and see what happens. Wont spend anymore money on HPT's until AF is late. Im still feeling weird and have had a lot of extra mc - so not giving up just yet for this cycle.
Kaybee ~ thanks heaps! GL and Are you nearly at BT or just starting the cycle?
Lairdoz ~ Sorry Ive never had a FET but im sure your docs know what's best - try not too stress I guess and GL hun, everything goes to plan.
Dreams into Reality ~ Hi and This is a great thread to be in, all of the ladies are so supportive and friendly. GL for your upcoming IVF, hope it comes round quick.
Littlemiss ~ Hoping those follies get better for you - sounds like they will and just need a bit of time. All the best hun, GL. I also would like to know if there is anything out there to say we shouldnt or can drink whilst on hormone injections, ive quite often wondered the same thing.
Justina ~ So sorry about your BFN - big hugs hun. Glad you can have another try so soon. You'll get there.
Lisa B ~ Good luck with the jabbing, you'll find it easy after a few. All the best for the cycle!
OMG ladies I don't log on for the weekend and it seems like I've missed heaps and I'm sure I'm going to miss someone as I try to update so please forgive me
Lisa I don't usually feeling anything happening in there until I'm getting closure to ovulation and then I know something is happening its a bit similar to AF pains etc so your fine
Arielle welcome to our little group hope your stay in here is short and sweet I mean that in a nice way
Trueblue fingercrossed that all those symptoms you are having lead to a BFP for you
Kaybee ramble all you like we totally undertsand what you are going through. I too sometimes cannot face family functions etc especially after I have had another set back. As for your question on the asprin its to thin my blood and reduce white blood cells this will only be the second time I've used it they seem to think after all the tests I've done that I might not hold the embryo due to clotting.
AFM did my trigger and now just waiting for tomorrow and my FET then I guess I'll be back on the TWW rollercoaster hopefully for the last time
I'd love to know what tests I should be asking for as I had my appointment with the IVF clinic on Thursday and told the nurse I think I should have more tests done (I've only ever had the STD, rubella and hormone level blood tests - no internal tests etc). Anyway the nurse told me that the Doctor has reviewed my case and he doesn't think I need to worry about any other tests yet - but the problem is that I can't afford to try again after this next attempt and I'm not sure I want to waste my money trying now if my chance of success is going to be no different to last time.
Apparently he has me down for an antagonist cycle this time... so when I get my next period (this one just finished last weekend) I will start on the pill for 3 weeks and then after that pill period I will start on injections (no synarel this time). She told me that Synarel can reduce egg quality... any one else heard of this?
I was told they won't increase my dose of gonal-F as I had a good number of follicles and eggs last time (12 eggs) but only 3 fertilized and only 1 developed. Apparently they believe this is due to my egg quality! So I'm not sure that it is worth wasting more money... I don't understand if I have poor egg quality (I'm only 36) then isn't it only going to get worse with age? So maybe I should give up now before I'm completely broke.
I find my clinic extremely frustrating as they don't want to answer any questions. They just say "The doctor has reviewed your case and this is what he has written" or "Well he has reviewed your file and he hasn't requested any tests" or "The doctor would have written in your file if he felt it would help"! I've only ever seen the "Doctor" twice in 22 months of going to the clinic. Seems like he (as the owner of the clinic) is raking in a ton of money and hardly doing any work for it.
On top of all this I turn 37 this month and last year I had vowed to stop trying by the end of last year and then when I decided to keep trying early this year I had vowed I would stop before my birthday. So I'm feeling very frustrated and lost and just don't know whether to quit, sell my farm and hit the road and live the sort of lifestyle I wouldn't have been able to have with a baby (so atleast maybe I won't feel so bad about failing).
Then last night I got a text message from my brother's wife to say she is pregnant (due in august). She said in her message they decided not to tell anyone until they were sure it would be okay as they lost a baby at 22 weeks gestation a few years ago. I know how much that loss hurt them but I just felt so angry reading her message as they already have 6 kids and they are both on welfare. they both smoke heaps of pot and when the youngest two were babies she didn't even look after them... nighttime feeds were left up to my brother and the daytime looking after was done by the older children. I remember visiting one time and the 4 year old was left to give the baby it's bottle while the mum smoked a bong in the "smoke room". It just seems so unfair that they can keep spitting out kids and they don't even properly look after the ones they have! I guess I just have to hope that mabye having lost the other baby might make them appreciate this one more. But I can't be happy for them and I don't think I could cope with seeing her pregnant (certainly not at the moment). I saw her a few weeks ago and now reflecting back she looked like she had put on some weight but I didn't realise she was pregnant. Apparently now it is becoming obvious so that is another reason they have decided to start telling people. She invited us to attend the youngest birthday party in a couple of weeks but I can't go... I just won't be able to act happy and excited for them because I'm not.
I realise my parents must have known for ages and I feel weird about that too... they knew and would have heard me ***** about how unfair it is that my sister in law has spat out so many kids and doesn't look after them and here she was pregnant again and my parents just bit their tongue. I guess it would have been very hard for mum and dad because they knew I was going through IVF.
Sorry everyone... just had to share with someone and I knew you would probably be able to relate to how I'm feeling.
Lori
DD (13)
Started donor search Dec 06, Started donor insemination Jan 09, Started IVF Feb 10. 1st cycle - chem preg - BFN.
Lori, I have read that the antagonist protocol is supposed to produce the best egg quality, so if that is your issue, hopefully this will give you the best chance possible. If you want to push the testing issue, can you just be blunt and tell them that this is the last one you can afford so you don't want to find out there was an undiagnosed problem after it - you need to know now. I'm still really ticked off that we did 4 IVF with our old Dr who refused to check if I had endometriosis (even though I have lots of classic symptoms) and I'm sure that was the reason none of them succeeded.
Sending lots of sticky vibes to those of you suffering through the 2ww!
Lori - Im doing antagonist cycle next time too. Hopefully as they say it is the best for producing eggies. Each time with down reg I only got 7 eggs and none to freeze so thats why they have decided to try this with me. GL with it all hun, thinking of you!
LMM - 5.40 is so early to leave you poor thing. I'm not going to worry about the odd glass of wine. I figure if it was really that detrimental my FS would have said something. I do know that feeling of just trying to do something different to get a little edge on fertility. GL with scan on Tuesday.
Loops - for a BFP in a few days.
Terry - Hope its your month. Your FS seems to be on the ball.
Truebule: your symptoms all sound positive, hopefully a BFP in a few days.
Lori - if you want more tests you should definitely push for them. You do need to pay for some tests but if you think about the cost of IVF both financial and emotional I think it's worth it. I decided to have them all up front as I didn't want to get several cycles down the track and discover something was preventing a pregnancy. I see my FS regularly as she does all my scans etc. I don't think I'd like having a FS who just saw me periodically. I hadn't heard that about syneral, now I'm a bit worried as I'm on it right now. 36/37 is still okay with IVF - according to my FS. She said it got really tricky after 40, and you therefore are still in the running. It must be a difficult decision trying to decide at what point to stop trying. It's not fair that some people seem to be super fertile and others really struggle. I do feel for you and I would also find it difficult to cope.
AFM: the gonal needle is a bit harder to use than the puregon, the plunger is a bit stiff. EPU (providing all goes well) is around the long weekend. How uncomfortable/painful is it when you wake up from EPU? When I woke up from my lap. I was in considerable pain I think it was the dye test part or the endometrial biopsy part which caused the pain. I don't want to feel like that again.
No Justina, that's just not fair. You are inspiring in how positive you are being about it all though. You seem determined to not let that crappy bfn get in your way. Hope your herbs and acu get everything working perfectly for this next cycle.
Loops - like everyone else has said, it might still be too early to know. Guess it's better to not get hopes up for any longer than necessary though. I won't uncross everything just yet
Trueblue - not long to go and all sounding VERY promising!
Terry - Looks like it could be your month! It feels so much more, I dunno, 'right' when DH can be there for ET. Can I ask what you have to take the aspirin for after ET?
LMM - how frustrating that they've closed your subclinic - couldn't they just wait till you finish this cycle and get your BFN? I don't know for sure on the drinking thing, but surely if everyone else can drink, smoke, etc, etc and have healthy eggs and pregnancies then I would think it'd be fine.
Lori - sounds like you are pretty low right now. My brother's wife is also pregnant and due the exact same week I was due (before mc a couple of months ago). I feel really awful but I don't want to see them and we have all these family do's coming up. Everyone keeps saying to me 'wow you must be so happy you're going to be an aunty again'. I don't know the 'right' way to deal with these feelings but I know they are my feelings and they're real and if I ignore them they'll get worse. So far whenever I've seen them I've managed to get through somehow, but have spent the next day/night crying. So, I'm feeling your pain mate! Your FS sounds a bit like mine (no, mine's not that bad) but whenever I have an appointment he's just really chirpy and tells me to be positive - I don't have a problem with that advice, and despite how I may sound on here, I am fairly positive - it's just that from him I want answers and explanations (or at least tests) and if I need cheering up I'll talk to a friend/DH/a counseller or BB friends!
God I ramble on and haven't even gotten to me - nothing much happening with me yet - only taking one estradiol pill each night until scan next week to look at my hopefully lovely thick endometrium. Don't think my first acupuncture did its job at relaxing me - I came home and had an argument with DH straight away - hmmm, not a good start
Lori - My FS also thought I had a problem with egg quality as last cycle we got the best number of eggs ever (13) but of those only 3 made it to blasty stage & they weren't very highly graded. This cycle i'm taking an additional drug to improve the egg quality called 'Luveris'. You mix it up a bit like the pregnyl then inject into your tummy. Apparently it's not that widely used in Aus as it's really expensive but my clinic had been give some 'freebies' from the drug company which they gave to me. So hopefully it does the job! Have you tried making another appt with your FS? As it's not the nurses that make the decision as to what to test for it may be best to have another face to face with your doctor.
LisaB - you tend to feel more uncomfy rather than in 'pain' after the pick up. I've also had a lap done which was sooooo painful & thank god the egg pick up is nothing like that so try not to stress too mcuh!
Trueblue - only another week to go good luck!
Loops - Lets hope you just tested too early
AFM the clinic phoned today to ask to go in on Monday for a BT & scan. To be honest i assumed it would be Tue as I know they don't usually do U/S on a public holiday but I guess they are! Good for me though as I won't have to get up as early because there will be no peak hour traffic yay!! I done step aerobics today & could really feel my ovaries bouncing around so hopefully my little eggys are growing in there! Thanks also on the advice regarding the wine I will be partaking in a glass or two over the weekend.
Sorry to jump in here. I'm usually just lurking in this thread these days, but I thought I should add my two cents on a few issues you guys have been talking about:
1) not to put a damper on things, but my FS and the nurses at my clinic all advised me not to drink alcohol at all while TTC. They said it could lower the chance of the cycle being successful. During my cycle, I also took a few fertility books out of the library and all of them mentioned studies showing that fertility rates are higher among women who are not drinking at all while TTC than among women who are having even the occasional glass of wine. I'm not sure exactly why that is but imagine that the wine must indeed have the potential to affect egg quality. Trust me, I love to have a glass (or a bottle -eek!) of wine as much as the next person, so I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but wanted to share since I know most of you are trying to do everything possible to maximize your chances of success, and if this helps any of you get your BFP quicker, then it's worth my taking the time to post this.
2)littlemissmoo - just wanted to warn you that as you progress in the stimming, be careful about the step aerobics b/c as your ovaries get bigger, if you bounce around too much you run the risk of ovarian torsion, where the fallopian tubes twist. It's apparently rare but potentially very serious, and could cause you to lose the fallopian tube. (That's why, ladies, if you have serious pain "down there" after vigorous exercise while stimming, you should get checked by your FS or emergency room immediately.) Apparently (according to what I've read) the theory is that our ovaries are suspended in our bodies similar to the way a man's testicles are suspended in their balls (sorry for the graphic image!), and when they get larger and heavier than normal, that delicate suspension can be affected. Normally, the ovaries only contain one or occasionally 2 large follicles, so lots of jumping movement is not likely to cause any harm. But when we're stimming and having multiple large follies inside our ovaries, the ovaries get much larger and heavier and can move around in ways they're not supposed too, which can lead to the twisted tubes. So my FS and clinic warned me to cut back on exercise involving lots of bouncing (aerobics, running, etc) as we got closer to EPU. Also, the ovaries can stay swollen for 1-2 weeks after EPU (this sounds like it's related to same reason why OHSS can take that long to develop), so I was warned that that was another reason to be careful after EPU, although after ET you need to be careful anyway since you are not supposed to overheat the embie that has been transferred.
Hope this info is useful to some of you and good luck with your cycles!
Loops - sorry the HPT was neg. Hopefully it was just too early and your BFP is coming.
Justina - so sorry for you BFN - they suck.
Terry - GL with your FET on Tues.
True blue - those twinges and sense of smell etc sound like really good signs!!
Lori - just wanted to say be proactive about your tests. It's your body and your money. The last thing you want is to look back and think I should have asked for this or that.
LMM - hope your scan shows lots of good little follies.
Just my two cents worth on the wine - I've done both. I've been super, super healthy and I've done cycles where I've had a few wines throughout and for me the outcomes have been the same. My way of thinking is everything in moderation. I also know a friend whose, clinic, after transfer gives them a valium and a glass of bubbles. So who knows??
AFM - I am booked for my next FET Friday 11 June. Will be transferring two blasts - bring on lucky number 10!!
Loops12: Thank you!
Also wishing you luck with TTC, never give up, remember there is always hope in there some where
Terry: Good luck with the FET on Tuesday, I wish you all the best with and will be sending positive thoughts your way
TrueBlue: it is a good sign of something good to come
Lori: I think if you feel they are not doing enough tests, you should push for more. Is it possible to go to another clinic and see another doctor?
Wishing you heaps of good luck and I hope it all works out for you!
Kaybee: Hoping your scan next week shows a thick endometrium. Realy hoping it goes well for you.
Littlemiss: Good luck with your scan and BT. Here's hoping it brings some great results
Trea: Lots of positive vibes are getting sent your way for your FET! this is THE ONE!!
Are you nearly at BT or just starting the cycle?
This is a great thread to be in, all of the ladies are so supportive and friendly. GL for your upcoming IVF, hope it comes round quick.
Hope its your month. Your FS seems to be on the ball.
Don't think my first acupuncture did its job at relaxing me - I came home and had an argument with DH straight away - hmmm, not a good start 
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