LTTTC after Miscarriage and Loss

Hi Murray Cod,

I came stalking cos you went MIA from the other thread. Great news about your HCG levels. The cramping is a good sign- for me that was a strong pg symptom with DD.
Hi to everyone else!

Hi Ladies,
Will try to get a quick post in before my clients arrive.

Ferrals - Damn I hate when the computer does that it sucks. How on earth do you get 22 follies with no meds?!? I only get one or two with it. If we don't get BFP together this month we will be IVFing together soon. I'll be o'ing with you. Fingers crossed we will have our BFP's in two weeks.

Crafty - I hope you do get to go to your FS appt not that the timing is great, i so do not envy you moving let alone with a family of 9! I do hope the new house is awesome and a fresh start for your next bub.

Murrycod - :comfort:I can totally sympathize but listen to the voice of experience, Crafty is right your bub (twins:D) snuggling in would cause some crampiness.

AFM- well triggered half an hour ago as my LH still only made it to 5! I had come to work without my trigger and had to call my poor sick housemate to bring it to me. FS said 3 hours wouldn't matter but it is 3 hours the little spermies will not have to be hanging around waiting for the eggs so I figured it all helps. Insem tomorrow morning at 9am.

Porsche,Alice, Mathew's mum hugs.

Sunbeam-I KNOW!!! i have heaps that is why my E2 is always so high i might have heaps of eggs left in there but how do you get pregnant so easy with 1 or 2 when i have an abundant amount and cant get pregnant now.
my FS did say because my E2 sky rockets they are giving me a low dose of puregon this time as i responded really well last time they are only trying for 8-10 eggs because if my E2 hits the rickter again they will consider cancelling my cycle i am disapointed if i have 22 follicles now on day 9 imagine how many mature eggs i would have if they gave me a touch more puregon like they did murrycod she had 9 eggs 1st go like me we both were on 200 iu then this time she was on 225 iu and got 27 eggs i feel it is such a waste of follicles i supose i have to do the safest thing for my body but i will say i am proud of my fertile ovaries.
Good luck tomorrow hope we get our BFP's this month so we dont have to do the ivf but if we do at least i will have a cycle buddy.

Alice- thanks i am feeling more positive after my U/S today.

Murrycod-i know you are stressing it will be ok you are taking all the medications you need to help this bub or bubs stick so try to relax and enjoy being pregnant and look forward to a Feb baby.

Porsche-good for you it was hard for me i felt defeated and like a failure but relised we can still get pregnant naturally we just need some help right now as it is taking tooooooo long.

Murray, I'm quite sure that your cramping is normal. I clearly remember I started with the slight period-like pain (my DH hated me using that phrase and I had to say 'abdo cramping'!!) since about Day12 post D2transfer, and it continued for almost the entire 1st trimester. It was the uterine nerves detecting the uterus stretching. Only after experiencing mine and worrying did several friends come forward and tell me they had the exact same!!!!! oh, and the 'windy-issue'(!) comes from high (natural) progesterone levels that maintain the pregnancy. All good!!!! great!!!

Feral- how are those numbers poss without hyper drugs? are you PCOS? good luck with it all!

Porsche- well done, and congrats....it's a positive step and hopeffully with end in a happy bundle!

Sevie-they are antral follicles i looked on the net at what is a normal antral follice count in a natural cycle and 15-30 is a good-normal ovarian reserve anything over 30 suggests pcos and anything under 11 is not so good so i guess at 36 my ovaries are still in there 20's i just wish the quality was as good.
There is still only 1 that is going to pop the other 21 are going to be wasted:cry:

Ferrals - I don't think they are wasted as they don't pop - just get reabsorbed back into the ovary. Well that's how i understand it but I could be wrong. Either way, great that you have a good number there and I hope works in your favour with your upcoming IVF. Glad you are feeling more positive after your scan. I forgot you are moving too - that is super stressful on its own to deal with, never mind the court case. Never rains but it pours! Hope you can find a calm space amidst all that chaos x

Sunbeam - good luck for Monday. Hope the planets are lining up for you :)

MurryCod - are you feeling a bit better? Sounds like lots of similar experiences so hopefully you can be reassured by it. That's one of the legacies of mc that everyone carries - the background fear that something could go wrong. Which is why you need to stay with us so we can keep reminding you it will be OK. x

Damprye, Sevie, Porsche, Crafty, MatthewsMum - hi to you all.

I am just getting more and more depressed with my situation. My temp charts aren't great, I only have one ovary working now and both are stuck down, one blocked tube on the opposite side of the working ovary (so can't go natural Crafty) and I'm 41 1/2. We only ever get a small number of eggs (usually about 7) and the number of blasties is dropping each time we do it. The only positive I have to hold onto is that I did fall pg. Seems like a wild dream that it could ever happen again but I appreciate all your encouragement and know there are others in similar situations to me and that we are all struggling and hoping and trying to live our lives with happiness despite this damn TTC nightmare.

Thanks girls for all of the encouragement, I feel heaps better today, I wen't and got more bloods done on Thursday just to ease my mind and my levels were at 1970, so I can relax a little more.
I had visions of myself and DH jumping up and down with excitement and being so happy, but to be honest this has been the most stressfull part of the whole process! Just have to make it to my scan date, deep breath..
Have started to get yucky heartburn last 2 days, and phew, this 'wind' is killing me!!!! So grose!
I have been wih my DH for over 5 years and I NEVER have farted in front of him, and it's so hard to sneak a quiet one out when I smell so bad :redface:

Ferrals, I am so happy that you got good news about your follies. What was it that you were doing last time to keep you E2 levels down?? Mabey start that now. And I totally agree with you about not wanting to over stim. If they aren't going to hatching blasty to test, well then every follie is preciouse, so you won't need heaps. Plus you seriously don't want to be in the pain I was in, ouch!!
Can't wait to see how things go for you next month, fingers crossed you can start ASAP XXXX
I hope things can settle down for you at home too, have you had any luck finding a house to rent? Sorry you are having such a hard time, I wish I could make life easier for you right now XXXX

Sunbeam, good luck today sweetheart!! Will be stalking all the way, and ahhhh, bring on the cramping, since it has been a good sign for you in the past!!XXXXX
I hope this is the one XX It's the good ovary this time isn't it!?!?! XX

Alice, honey how are you doing? I am dying for you to start your cycle. I want to hear every detail.
And no probs for noting down the medds, I read on the net that the meds also help with implantation, even if you don't have over-reactive cells. So best wishes X Things will work out, Ipromise. Huggs

Crafty, you are a darling. You have no idea how much your post settled me down X

Possum, love to you, thank you babe X

Sevie, thanks for helping me settle too, it's amazing how success stories and similar stories with cramping keep my faith high, I appreciate it so much X

Porche, well done honey, biting the bullet is the hardest part of starting, you will get more confident and excited as things start to progress now X After my failed IUI attempts, I was devastated that I would have to go and start IVF to have a baby, but it has given me an oppurtunity, that I would not ever have had, so be strong, be confident, and lean on us all the way, because you will be celebrating your BFP soon too XXXXX

Damprye, hope you are wel XXXXX

Matthew'sMum, you doing your FET this month, will be stalking you!!


Iv'e decided to bite the bullet too, and go searching for a PG ticker. I will disable it when I come in to visit, I know we don't have to, but out of respect for you all I will. I know a lot of girls don't mind it, but there are still some girls that do, and there is no way I will offend them, because I love you all so much X

Murraycod fantastic news about your HCG. Are you planning on another BT or just wait til the scan now? God Bless you not farting in front of your DH. Just shows what a lady you must be lol.

Can't see others reply now I have started writting. OMG I hate this computer. Its tiny.

Alice-my 2 FS have both said 8-10 eggs at collection is normal so at 41 7 eggs is still a good number from 1 ovary don't lose hope just yet.

Murrycod-WIVF will go to day 5 blasties if there is more than 5 eggs and if they don't show to much fragmentation otherwise they put back day 2 embryos so i hope to get 8 eggs this time like i did last time on a low dose of puregon.
Great to see your numbers are climbing nice and high.
And after all your emails we send each other i find it hard to believe you can't or won't f#rt in front of your DH lol.
My DH likes to get me in bed by shoving the doona over my head after he lets one rip so on the rare occasion i have something bad to eat i try to get him back.

Murraycod, ur HCG levels are brilliant.Congratulations sweetie,I have been stalking trying to find u lol...I got a feeling that all will be ok and in 9 months you will have ur bubs in ur arms.I cant stop laughing at the thought u wont fart in front of hubby.let er rip lover, otherwise u b getting pains trying to hold them off.....

Sunbeam - great news on your follies - GL with the insem this morning.

Alice - sorry you have to wait but hopefully getting your system right will be the answer.

Porsche - sorry your cycle is still haywire. It's so frustrating when you just want to get back to 'normal' so you can start trying again. Hang in there.

Cheers to everyone else.

Hi ladies,
Well not great news. Post wash count was less than 1 million. Poor donor daddy, he felt so bad. He felt even worse when the FS mentioned that one option for us was to consider using a different donor (this won't happen I've never wanted to use an unknown donor, if IVF did not work for us we would consider using donor daddy's partners sperm but that would be our last resort). We have decided to do a home insem tomorrow morning to give ourselves the best chance for this month. I still have a good feeling for this time. :crossfingers:

Hi Ladies

Oh Sunbeam what a let down. What is involved with a home insem? I have visions of turkey basters lol.

Trea thanks for the wishes it is very frusterating and my OPK's are not gving me the result I'm looking for. So i'm either going to O late again or not a all. Any who IVF booked so not over yet.

MurrayCod Yay for your Levels. I bet that is a little weight off of your shoulders? I can't wait to hear about your scan.

Sunbeam-Sorry you didnt get to do an insemiation today what a let down but hopfully tomorrow will be a better chance closer to ovulation so the sperm wont have to hang around for to long to get to your egg.
I just looked at my DH post wash result and he had 57 million and 87% motility out of the 477 million total and we still cant get pregnant with that with all my eggs and an abundent supply of sperm and still nothing we are waiting until Monday to BD when i should ovulate insted of BDing all the way up to ovulation like we normally do so hope the egg pops when there is fresh swimmers in there waiting i think i might have to stand on my head this time cause nothing else seem to be working.

Hi girls sorry for the quick reply - it's been a weekend of birthday celebrations and we are off now to another one.

Sunbeam - I'm sorry you didn't get to go ahead with the IUI - your poor friend must be feeling bad about it but it's disappointing for you too. I hope today will make up for the disappointment and you'll be able to get there on your own anyway! Good luck and hope this one is the one - go the lucky ovary!!

Ferrals - must be so damn frustrating for you - we can't win either way can we? Either we don't have everything we need and can't get there or we have all we need and can't get there. Why does it have to be so hard?! Like Sunbeam, I hope you can have a lucky month and don't need to go ahead with IVF. Sounds like a good plan to abstain a few days then give it a go. Fingers crossed for you.

Crafty - good luck with the move! It's great you'll have a new home but at the same time I'm sorry it has put your IVF plans on hold. It is so expensive...sigh. I hope you can do both.

MurryCod - glad you are feeling reassured and your second beta reading is great so sounds like it is hormone city at your place and that is what is causing all the cramps and wind. Had to laugh about you trying to hold that in, in front of your DH. Good lord woman, when you give birth there will be a lot more going on that a sneaky fart so better get him used to it now! We have a windy household I have to say and it is always the source of a good joke. Better out than I, I say!!

Sorry Sevie, Porsche, Mildez, Trea and all that I haven't had time to go back a few pages to see how you are all doing. Wishing you all the best though and will be back tomorrow for proper catch up.

xx

PS Ferrals, thanks for the comment on the eggs - that made me feel better

Hi Ladies,

Ferrals - it does make no sense does it? You have more eggs and more sperm it should be easier for you. Having said that we have had more success on the lower sperm count IUI's than the ones with higher counts so there is obviously no logic to it. It's just typical TTC chaos! I had the same understanding as Alice that eggs that don't release just go back in to the ovary.

Murrycod - you're so funny. I don't fart in front of people either so that would be super shame for me too, especially if they are stinky :redface: but hey lets face it there is not much dignity in any of the TTC stuff so why should that change once we are UTD? :lol: So glad to see your numbers are going up well. It was both ovaries for me this time one from each side.

Porsche - heheh yes its sort of the turkey baster idea only when you are working with 2-3 mils a turkey baster seems a bit like wishful thinking ;) I just use a 5 mil syringe.

Alice - Sorry you are feeling frustrated,this is such a hard and annoying journey. I hope a weekend full of birthdays has taken your mind off things for a little while.

AFM - we still did the IUI yesterday at the clinic even with the low count. We did a home insem this morning obviously I have no idea on the count but there was a good 2.5 mils which is a good amount for him.

Murraycod - I'm not sure how i missed it but CONGRATS on the AWESOME beta!!

Sunbeam - fingers crossed for your IUI and insem - the more the merrier I say.

Cheers Trea

Yeah i did know the eggs don't release i read they are reabsorbed and never used again it seems such a waste of potential eggs that could be if we only ovulate one a month then its silly to waste the other 21 especially when you do IVF and and you know how important all those follicles are.

Sunbeam-good luck for your TWW and lets hope the 2 eggs pop and you get pregnant with twins.

Crafty-how are you going not long to your FS appointment.

Alice-nothing like some celebrations to take your mind off TTC.

Hello to everyone i missed.

AFM-we weakend last night and fooled around i know i said we would wait until i am about to O my LH is just starting to surge the line on my CBFM is as darker then the E2 line but i did not get a peak reading yet so i expect that tomorrow Oh! well when we want it we want it so if i don't get pregnant this month on to the IVF.
P.S i will snag him again toninght and if DH is not working tue night.

hi everyone, ferrals -good luck with catching that egg,it's nice not to have perfectly timed b'd sometimes....trea-good luck with the 11th,are you having bt's or scans?...sunbeam-fingers crossed...alice-big hugs,thinking of you...craftymummy-have you re-scheduled your fs app?hope all goes smoothly with your move,exciting but at the same time a lot of work..murraycod-how are you feeling ?...mildez,sevie & porshe-how are you all going?...afm-havivg bt's to pinpoint 'o' for fet,thought i'd have a scan as well ,checking my lining ,but apparently my fs goes by the bt's.

Ferrals - here's hoping it is your month and you will not have go the IVF.

Mathew's Mum - I am doing a HRT FET this month and had a scan last Thursday with lining 8.4mm so good to go! Any idea yet for your FET date?

Cheers Trea

Hello everyone

Porche I know what you mean about OPK's not giving the result you want. I had a nearly + on Thursday and then definate - on Friday. It was back to + on Sat and lucky we were both at home so we could DTD.

Murraycod - glad everything has settled down for you and great news with the FSH level.

Sunbeam - I hope your IUI and home sem worked.

Ferrals - I find it's easy to plan TTC on a calendar but then it all changes with both our everday routines. Good luck for this month. seems there will be a few of us in the 2WW together.

Crafty - good luck with the FS appt

Trea & MattsMum - hope the FET goes well.

My last cycle which is when I started BBT and OPK seemed to go like clockwork. I had a the dip in temp before the opk+ and then the steady rise afterwards. But this cycle seems to be all over the place. I'm fairly confident that I O'd yesterday which is CD21. Good luck for everyone TTC and in 2WW.

HappyBaby

RANT ALERT

I can't even believe I'm having to write this it makes me sick in my stomach. I found out that a big part of our crap count on saturday was that Donor Daddy has not been taking his menavit for at least 10 days probably longer. I was at his house to do the insem and I asked to see what he's taking to see if I could think of anything else we might add, guess what, NO Menavit. He had told me the previous weekend that he'd run out on the thursday before (though I already suspected he'd run out a while before that). He proceeded to lie to me and tell me they were at work but I could so easily tell it was not the truth, there was every classic lie indicator in the book. (I'm a trained psychologist does he really think I could not tell?)

I'm not sure what I am more s#$ty about the fact that he lied or the fact that he has potentially wasted out last IUI cycle through sheer stupidity and laziness.

How f@#king hard is it to buy and swallow a frigging pill each day, it's not like I'm asking him to inject himself in the stomach with friggin hormones!!!!! He's a friggin moron :wall:

I did consider meeting him at his work this morning and demanding to see the pills but I figured it would solve nothing other than to make him look like more of an idiot.

Happy Baby
Sorry your cycle is not doing what it should. Mine used to do that, great one cycle and all over the place the next but those were usually cycles where I did not O. I hope you have O'ed. Good luck

Hi all
I am still here checking every day on how your all going ! I have my apt in 10days but am ovulating around today or tomoro so wonder if I will be catching that egg but won't be able to cancel just incase I missed it again, lets face it the chances of me missing it are far greater than my chances of catching it !!! well will go anyway maybe test in the morning but will only be 9 to 10 days past ovulation. My DH has told me he thinks we can do it by ourselves by DEC but my argument is if not then in DEC I will have wasted 6 more months and be nearly 46 men they don't understand how hard it is . He thinks because we always managed in the past we will again now but I keep trying to tell him at my age its unlikely we ovulate regulaly like talking to a brick wall !

sorry sunbeam you have been let down buy your donor I know its not much to ask of him but thats how men are I have to put DHs tablets out every morning and make his tea to make sure he takes them or else well the same story as you I think !
Thats men for you !!

Well been clearing out and packing and more packing ! got all my baby stuff here and just wondering if I should get rid or go through it and save the very best stuff and the pram and cot !!! If only I had a chrystal Ball to let me have a look and see if I will ever get UTD again !!!!

Well busy bdancing last night and thurs night and will do again tomoro and thats it I will be in the TWW. Did the best we could again to catch the egg but wondering if there is one there at all !

Murray how you doing ?

Ferrals looks like we ovulating around the same time again !!! we have to get this right this is just too much month after month !!!! and sunbeam you too looks like a busy TWW for us all lets keep each other company and hope it flys by !!!

Sunbeam-don't fret sperm is produced 70-90 days before they use it so any sperm he gave the other day at the clinic would have been made almost 3 months ago so tell him to get back on it or better still there is a new sperm max on the market my DH is on it and it has more goodies in it one being COQ10 which is recommended for egg and sperm quality and a few different types of gingseng and the also the same things in menevit like seleneum and zinc ect.

Crafty-Yep we will be tww buddies again i had a bit of a LH surge last night the line was darker than the E2 line but today the line is super dark and the E2 line is not visable which means peak on my CBFM so we BD yesterday might i add because we were in the mood and wanted to and then we were at it again today those macca tablet's phew! get us going more than normal and we are pretty good without the tablets but good god we cant keep our hands off each other and we will get another go tomorrow then we are in the tww i am feeling some niggling in my lower right abdomen which is the ovary i am going to ovulate from with that big follie so i think i will O in the morning some time.
And don't get rid of the baby stuff just yet we are packing too and i looked at it and thought do i get rid of it and then murphy's law will provail and we will get pregnant and have to buy it all again or keep it and drag it all with us and i thought it is all brand new stuff Abbi didn't get to wear so i will keep it and if i don't get pregnant i know of a good friend i would like to give some of her things to when she has her baby.
Come on crafty we have to do it right this month i have had enough waiting so this is our month our babies will be due in march i worked out my dates for the 2nd of march exactly one month before my 37th Bday and 18 days before Abbi's 2nd Bday.

Trea - good luck with your FET - keep us posted!! Exciting, hope all goes smoothly and we can celebrate your BFP with you very soon!
MatthewsMum - Hello and hugs to you too! Just wondering if you could request a scan just to give you some peace of mind? I so hope this cycle is the one for you - let us know how your blood tests go. I'll be holding my breath for you and so looking forward to some happy news for you x
Porsche, Sevie, Mildez - how are you lovely ladies? What's happening with you all?
Sunbeam - you're in the TWW now - hope it goes quick and you get your BFP.
MurryCod - how are you? How are your furbabies??
Ferrals - hope you caught that egg - so you and Sunbeam are in the TWW together?
Crafty - what about you?

Sorry to miss anyone.

OK so call me paranoid, but how is this: when I was growing up I had two girls living next door then up the street my "bestest truest friend" :) and her cousin. I have found out through them contacting me on FB that of the five of us, four of us have fertility problems - four of us have done IVF, two successfully but with a lot of trouble and two of us unsuccessfully. Now is it just me or did we come into contact with something as kids that has caused us problems? That can't be normal? Oh and two of us have had endometriosis. I know there is nothing we can do about it now but I just find that weird.

Doh - missed a whole page! Catching up now..

Sorry 'bout that! Didn't realise there were more.

Sunbeam - aggghhh - it doesn't seem like much to ask, does it? Especially with all the crap you have to go through. Sorry he let you down but Ferrals is right about that 'cause that's what the FS told us too. Still, I completely understand why you are so ****ed about it. x

HappyBaby - hi and sorry your cycles are a bit haywire. I've been temping again for the past few months and I definitely have one cycle that goes better than the other (but I know one of my ovaries has given up the ghost so that explains it). Good luck this month

So Ferrals, Sunbeam, Crafty and HappyBaby - good luck with your TWW and here's to celebrating with you soon:crossfingers::goodluck::pray:

Crafty I think Ferrals is right - it'll be Murphy's law that you'll give it away then you'll need it again so what's one more box? Or a few more boxes? You can always sort through it later. I agree with you not to wait until Dec although I love your DH's positive attitude! He sounds like my DH - always so optimistic, we need it!

Hi Ladies

Crafty I agree with Ferrals don't give it way just yet. it will be Murphy's law lol.

Sunbeam Grr What a frustrating thing to find out. We don't ask much do we. My DH takes Goji berries, zink, Alovera juice, pumpkin seeds & folate so I think in your case 1 little pill isn't too much to ask.

Alice OMG what a coincidence. What are the odds of that? How bizar. I don't know anyone who has fertility dramas so no one understands. I guess now you'll have a bigger support network?

Not much happening here. I haven't O'd yet. Have no idea what's going on. I'm guessing I'll O late now. Gosh my body is just so messed up right now. I've still got the wretched brown spotting and quite frankly it is driving me insane. Not because we can't DTD but because I'm so over it IYKWIM.

We have our nurse coordinator appointment Friday 18th to go through IVF and then our appointment with Dr De Ambrosis the following Tuesday to get our IVF schedule. This cycle can't go quick enough. I just want to move on now.

I wrote a huge long post and because BB logs you out if you take to long which P#SSES me off i lost the lot i usually copy my post in case i get logged out i can paste it but this time it didnt work.

Anyway i couldnt be bothered to do it all over again i am off to work i just wanted to say i am finally in the tww egg popped this morning a lot of right sided cramping consistant with U/S and CBFM we BD SUN MON and this morning and will get one in for safety measures tomorrow but i really hope this month works so i can avoid IVF.
I am sad seeing all the familiar faces in the pregnancy threads they were in the M/C thread with me and they have all moved on some are even in the parenting threads it's been to long and about time i moved on out of here.

Hope everyone is well and hanging in there we will do this all of us.

Ferrals - FX that you caught the eggy this month...hope the TWW flies by xoxox

Hi Lovelies,

Thank you all for your support about the donor daddy thing. I guess as a lesbian I thought I was beyond having to deal with male stupidity.....I was wrong!!! Any way I have enlisted the help of donor daddy's partner (who is a really lovely, responsible guy) to get the pills and make sure Dumb Bum takes them.

Ferrlas - I do understnd that the spermies would have been made a while ago but that maybe if he'd been bothering to take his pills we might have a few million more. I'm still hopeful one or two strong ones would have made it.

Porsche - sorry there's still no sign of your eggie. Only 10 days till your appt. with FS so not too long. Isn't waiting all we seem to do?

Crafty - I don't know about the baby stuff. I personally feel better having it out of my house. Anyway this will be your last bub so you deserve all new things. How cool would it be if you go to your FS appt only to fine out from your blood work that you are UTD :p

Alice - That is wierd about you and your friends all having fertility probs. Who knows what might have caused it. Of the 5 of us in my Uni house 3 of us (that I know of) have had fertility issues.

I totally agree Ferrals not many of us left in here since last sept when I joined and you been on here before me !!!
Don't seem fair makes you wonder what your doing wrong or rather what they did different to me !

I been trying to stay positive this month but its not working I really feel like every time we DTD its just a waste of time and energy and the Macca well not working for me in the right way lucky for you its working well ! I think my problem is I am trying too hard and I have to stop feeling so hopeless I seriously think I need to forget about being a mum again I can't carry on with my life feeling so damn sad inside and living on hope ! My FS apt is next week and quite frankly I think I am going to cancel as when it comes down to it you need money to get some help and we just don't have enough for IVF we spent over 40,000 dollars in the last 2yrs getting a visa and flights and moving over to Australia to make a new start for our kids and well we managed to get a deposit for the house but thats it now we have a mortgage to pay in a few weeks that I know is more than my rent so really can't see the point in going to the apt knowing I can't take it any further !

Sorry I am so negative its not like me but I feel so defeated !

Ferrals, I understand you wanting to join them - hope you can really really soon. Sounds like you covered all your bases for this month so here's hoping this TWW is over quickly and with a BFP at the end. It's mixed feelings for me of being thrilled for them but missing them at the same time and I have only been on BB since Feb.

Sunbeam - maybe not so unusual after all? I guess there is no point dwelling on it and there does seem to be more problems now but maybe we also talk more about it now, I dunno. Glad DD's partner is helping out with the pills and good luck with this TWW too.

Hi Iona! How's it going?

Porsche, you and Crafty will be having your FS appointments at the same time. I know the feeling of just wanting to start - going a bit batty here at the moment (three hours into cleaning my house...)

Love to everyone x

Crafty, we posted at the same time.

I know this is awful, and I know what it is like to live with that sadness and feeling like you just want to get on with you life, but I really believe you can do it! You can!! Don't give up!!! It's always when you think things will NEVER change that they do. I understand you must feel very stressed with the move and I understand the financial burden of IVF too so I can't say anything there as only you know how things are in that regard but you have nothing to loose by going to your appointment - at least get a professional opinion before you give up eh? Come on lovely Crafty, my SIL is into her second IVF and she is 45 now so if she can do it, so can you xxxxooo

Ferrals it stinks doesn't it that almost everyone has moved on into belly or baby groups. I have been in m/c thread since May09 and I think in the 12month plus group now longer then everyone else. Somtimes it feels like unless I leav I'll never get out of that group.

Crafty I agree with with Alice on the FS appointment. You have nothing to loose going and seeing him anyhow even if you don't want to head down the IVF path. Maybe some clomid will make you O more eggs and increase the chances. Just a thought but I don't really know what I am talking about.

Me just waiting for AF CD28 definately coming sooner or later and then waiting for my appointment. 30days today I see him and start the paperwork etc for IVF. Just need to start exercising. Got 4weeks to go so should make the most of it.

Alice - I'm doing ok, just nearing the end of the TWW!! So will see in the next few days

Mildez - hope AF arrives for you soon

hi to everyone ekse

Thanks girls your support and advice means a lot to me !

Have had a big chat and DH agrees we should go for the initial consultation and see what our options are if any, IVF will be a definate no as we do not have the funds for that but maybe clomid or IUI depending on what they say so trying to stay positive until next Thursday and have an open mind and just see what he has to say.

Well DTD again this morning so should be covered now as today is the big O day and had sharp pains in my right side 6am this morning before doing the deed so hopefully the spem gets to meet the egg if there is one there of course !!! anyhow gave it our best shot so now the waiting begins .

Alice thanks so much for your pep talk about your SIL I guess at our age people don't really understand why we even trying anymore but some of us just need to fill the gap so to speak one last time ! I hope your apt is not too far ahead of you and then maybe we can be in the other forum together with growing bellies !!!

Ferrals how you doing ? its gonna be a long long TWW and I have an apt 8days past ovulation so too damn eary to test dam !

Crafty-your not wrong there AF due on the 22nd for me so 12 days seems like forever but on the other hand i expect not to be pregnant so just waiting to see if i make it on the next ivf cycle list.

AFM-Just waiting watching my savings dwindle with all the bills coming in i can't wait to get my tax back to put some moola back in the bank.
Not real optimistic about being pregnant i have this visual of DH sperm banging away headbutting my eggs but not able to get in STUPID MORPHOLOGY!!!!!!!