Hi ladies,
I was just wondering if I could join your thread. DH and I have one child conceived on Clomid. He's 3 now and we have been TTC since july 2007. I went on clomid again in april, had a BFP first month in, and then m/c at 5 weeks. We stayed on clomid and got another BFP in November, and again m/c at 5 weeks. I have just today been for a u/s with Dr Andrew Ngu who's apparently excellent, and he diagnosed me with PCOS (which I've suspected for a while) and a polyp in my uterus. Apparently the polyp can cause problems with implantation????
I'm a bit dazed and confused at the moment and I'm waiting to hear from FS to discuss the next step. I have now taken clomid for 7 cycles (my cycles are 35 days at least) and I've read you should only take it for 6 cycles.
Has anyone had similar experiences? I'd appreciate any advice or info,
Bec
Last edited by onthefly; January 22nd, 2010 at 10:59 AM.
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I'm still feeling sore and hobbling around after my lap yesterday.
Keli, did you FS say you can start BDing as soon as you are up to it? I'm wondering if we have to wait a cycle before TTC. Guess I'll find out all the details when I see FS on Thursday. Don't know about you but those damn painkillers have made me constipated so now I'm taking laxatives with my digesics!
becnxavi - soz but I haven't had PCOS so can't help you there, but I did do 2 rounds of clomid before my lap yesterday. I had very irregular cycles, but clomid worked both times and made me O around day 17 - 19, then the cycle after when I wasn't on clomid I o'd on day 19 which was a miracle for me! So i think clomid has kicked my ovaries into gear. I'm just hoping the lap doesn't make my cycles go haywire again.
got1want1more - my FS said to BD every second day leading up to O and then every day just before O'ing. I guess the more you do it the more chances you have, but I know that sometimes you just want a break!
Here's another question for you girls TTC - am I the only one jumping the gunn and researching obs and hospitals? It seems like you have to book in as soon as you get your BFP! I would love to have a home birth but DH couldn't cope with that, so I'm trying to find out obs who avoid intervention unless absolutely neccessary. Anyone have any suggestions in Melbourne?
Hey Porsche...a word of warning about your lap recovery....don't do what I just did!
Warning ladies - poo about to be mentioned:
Because the pain meds they give you after your lap can make you constipated, I took some Nulax laxatives, but 12 hours later I was still feeling constipated which doesn't feel great when your insides are a bit tender anyway. So I took some more. BIG MISTAKE! Within an hour of taking the second lot, the first lot kicked in. ARGH!!! Anyway, to cut a horrible story short, I had the worst runs I have ever experienced in my life and spent the early hours of the morning attached to the loo! So my advice is to avoid laxatives, or only take one dose every 24 hours instead of two like I did.
So now I've had a thorough spring cleaning of all my plumbing down there! lol
Two days after my lap I'm still feeling a bit tender, but don't need pain killers anymore. I bet I'd be feeling a lot better too if I hadn't given myself the runs!
Nice work Mez lol
sorry I had to laugh I remember those pains very well from my Lap in april last year
I am glad ur feeling a bit better u will be back to normal in no time
Hoping I can join in! Brief b/ground/ TTC # 2 for 16 months, 2 m/c whilst ttc # 2 (4 all up) prescribed clomid (just finished rd 3) - but with no monitoring... Is that normal? OBS said to come back after 6 mths ttc on clomid if no success (viable pg), but now I am thinking of just going back & demanding a referral to a FS or can I get a referral from my GP to a FS?
Sorry for the 'me' post. Just feeling gutted since AF showed up today
Hi RiChiChi - welcome!
AF arriving is never fun..always makes me go why why why???? In answer to your question, my GP gave me a referral to a FS, who has been great. FS said I could try 2-3 rounds of clomid and if that didn't work it would be time for a lap (which I had on Thursday). The first round of clomid was monitored with an internal U/S and bloods on day 21 to check ovulation. Because all worked well with Oing on round 1, I didn't need any tests on round 2. FS said there was no point wasting more time on clomid if there was something wrong with my plumbing, so that's why I had the lap.
Before going to my FS I had tried sooo many natural therapies (herbs, acupuncture, kinesiology, reiki etc etc etc) and no luck. Even though I had no luck, these therapies, especially yoga, did help improve my health and wellbeing. I believe these therapies do work for some people, so have you tried seeing a naturopath / Chinese Doctor?
Anyway, after 16 months of trying, you are certianly within your rights to ask for a referral to a FS. If you want to bypass your OB, just get a referral from your GP. Not sure where you live, but if you're in Melbourne, David Wilkinson frm City Fertility is lovely.
Thanks for your reply Mez Moz. Sounds like we have taken similar paths down the ttc route.... I had the prog test on CD21 after the first round of Clomid, which shows I 'O'd' and OBS kept the dose the same, but no internal u/s. I have also tried natural therapies, starting with a Naturopath - whom I saw whilst ttc # 1, I went back but no luck, so I switched to a Chinese Herbalist / Accupuncturist (known to 'support' women during IVF) but I stopped going as ttc was becoming a 'chore' - (I did the herbs & accupuncture) I also do yoga once a week & have started seeing a personal trainer twice a week as well as a food diary to lose weight etc....
I will call my OBS Monday & see how far an appointment is away - he is really busy & go from there. I am in Melbourne SE suburbs. I assume David Wilkinson is in the CBD? Does anyone know of anyone at Monash Clayton worth seeing?
I am thinking I may need a lap - perhaps for blocked tubes as previous u/s showed that all was clear after my last mc. I would also like DH to get checked out - he is 39 this year.
Will be back to catch up with everyone properly once my head space is clear...!
Hope you don't mind me joining your site but you are all so similar to me.
I went off pill Dec 08 and diagnosed PCOS in April 09. I did 6 cycles of clomid (3 at max dosage) with no ovulation. I am now in 3rd month of naturopathic treatment but still no ovulation.
I have just seen an excellent FS, Gab Kovacs, who recommends FSH LH injections or laparoscopy surgery to burn the follices. I am going the surgery option.
He can get me in Thursday (4 Feb)! So I am freaking out a bit but reading your posts helps.
Unfortunately DH has to work Friday & Saturday so my mum would have to come and pick me up Friday morning from home and drive me 30mins to her house. Looking for advice...
- the day after the operation are you ok enough to be driven for 30mins?
- Do you have to lie down all the time or can you sit up?
- my FS says work Monday after Thursday op would be no problem. What do you think? I have a big meeting Monday
- also... have a good friend's 40th on Friday night, assume that even contemplating that is out of the question?!
I realise my questions seem a bit self absorbed but I was only told today that I could have the op on Thursday - hence the calendar hasn't quite been cleared properly! I could wait a month but hey, that's another month on top of the 18months so far and it is never going to be an ideal time. I have until Tuesday afternoon (2nd) to decide!
Any advice appreciated!
Especially the golf balling has worked for people with PCOS that you know of!
Sorry girls - thought I would gate crash - was on this forum this time last year and still like to see what is happening.
Fingers crossed Tammara - it must be your time now.
MezMoz - just a quick note, i was on 50 mg clomid for 5 months, it was working ie I was Oing but it still ranged from anywhere from 14 to 23 days so was using OPOAS tests - which was how I found out where I was up to. Anyway, after 5 months had my lap/hys/dye and came out to find out it appeared nothing wrong, which was great but very disappointing. My FS said that I may have had "gunk" in my tubes and that is why they give you 3 months to fall again as your tubes are all clean, otherwise next stage. Anyway, the first month after I was back on clomid 50 mg and fell (we had been trying for 21 months in total by that stage). So hope this gives you some hope.... I have just under 8 weeks until I am due.
I'm back. Lap went well yesterday. I'm only in a little pain from the incision sites. I've got 2 little cuts and they glued them Yay!!
Apparently my tubes are "all good". I guess that means they are clear. I'm not seeing FS for another 6 weeks. Is that normal? I'm guessing if it was urgent she would want me to come in sooner? That means I have to post pone my appointment with QFG for at least 6 weeks.
FS hasn't given me any more instructions on what to do now. I'm still on the clomid and this is now cycle 7. So I guess we just carry on trying?
Back at work (and therefore this site) today. Lap on Thursday went well I think. The surgeon said they did the golf balling and the tubes seemed ok.
I had some pain but not too much and am feeling ok. I didn't have much bleeding after the lap - has anyone? But strangely yesterday (Sunday) I started to bleed and I am 80% certain it is my period, not post op stuff. But just seems to good to be true that I got it so soon, my FS said don't expect it for several weeks at best (I have only had 1 normal bleed in 15mths and I think that was brought on my nautral herb medicine).
May be this month (or next) I will finally ov! (Although FS said that I will probably have to start Clomid again, aghgh, thought I was done with that - 150mg didn't do anything last time)! Fortunately I take Clomid and Metformin with very few side affects (like others have said - definitely take it with food and NOT on an empty stomach and you should be ok).
If you are trying to loose weight and haven't tried a naturopath or dietician I recommend giving it a go. I used to get big sugar cravings and chocolate was my absolute downfall. But my naturopath suggested a different diet of nautral (low sugar) museli with natural yoghurt for breakfast, salad (with beans or tuna) or lunch and dinner of meat & veg. Plus supplement whever possible the food with natural protein e.g. Quinoa or Amaranth (both go well in salads and even amaranth in museli). Since I started this a couple of months ago I have found the protein to fill me up for longer and it has dimnished my sugar/chocolate cravings (although it was bloody hard to begin with)!
Good luck to you all - be it with weight loss, cycles, ovulation, TTC, and finally pregnancy!
Back from our little mini holiday - feeling very relaxed.
Have caught up with where everyone is, but I won't attempt persies.
Just an update from me: I went to the OBS/GYNO today & he wouldn't do a laproscopy....we had a good chat & he said that 50% of couple will fall pg on Clomid within 6 months & if no pg by then (so, April), then down the road of exploratory stuff (ie: lap, IVF referral etc...) I managed to get another blood test for this Friday to confirm I am still ovulating on the Clomid (first cycle was done & results were 60, which aparently is very good) and DH has got a referral to get his sperm tested at Monash, which will be sometime during the week of the 15th Feb) So overall whilst not exactly what I wanted, I feel calmer & a bit more optimistic (could be from the chat with the counsellor & mini break too!)
If DH sperm results come back 'poor' then he will fast forward my lap & referral to IVF.
Best of luck to you all. I hope to see some BFP posts soon :-)
Mez moz! I too have an itchy (sometimes sore) belly button and raised hardness at the top! I called my FS (who is the surgeon who did it) and he said probably nothing but to come in if I want. I thought I would leave it a day or two but it sounds exactly the same as yours! I had 3 incisions, the lower 2 are fine, it is just the belly one that is sore and itchy. The FS said it shouldn’t be raised at the top of the naval as the incision was at the bottom. Where is yours? Have you removed the glue straps? I removed the bandage to get some air in but am scared to remove the straps!
Mez Moz & Porshe – I was sure that the bleeding was period as my bleeding from the op was minimal and this only started Sunday (accompanied by minor cramps) – but it has pretty much stopped again as of yesterday so must be post op? What do you think? I would like to know if it was beginning of cycle or not.
I had AF when they did my Op so I couldn't tell you what your bleeding is. I know that's not any help.
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Last edited by onthefly; February 10th, 2010 at 02:58 PM.
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becnxavi - I have been much more tired than normal since the general anaesthetic too (but not sure if it that or just general stress - we are renovating our house and that combined with the fertility thing and work is wearing me down).
I have been seeing a naturopath that is really great but I am beginning to wonder if it is worth all of the expense and hassle. The herbs & supplements I am on are really expensive and I had been wondering if it would be better to stop them and go to accupuncture so all of your comments are interesting (however up until the laparoscopy I had never felt more healthy and alert)! BTW - you definitely shouldn't do full on naturopath drugs and clomid - but your naturopath would know what you can and can't have.
Mez Moz - sorry to hear AF came but at least it did. I have real trouble with getting AF to come, which is never good for ov. So at least by you getting your AF you may be right to go again in say 10-20 days?!
Thanks for all the comments re: alternative therapies & Clomid. I would certainly only go to an alternative therapist that I have used in the past. I have only used them when ttc anyway, so they would know my history.
Mez - Sorry to hear AF showed & on Valentines Day. AF for me isn't due til Saturday coming, so if she aint there then, I'll test Sunday with FMU. I hope you can find peace when working with the preg mums in yoga. It will certainly be tough
2009 - How long have you been seeing the Naturopath? It did take me a little while to conceive (DD)whilst in the care of one, but if you aren't feeling any better about ttc, then I would probably stop. My Naturopath worked not just on my ovaries etc... but also my emotional well-being. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do.
thanks for all your good luck ladies, i am home from the transfer and it was pretty easy really, i didnt have any pain just a little discomfort when he put the thing in - (looks like a beak lol dont remember the name)
so now i plan on just lazing around watching tv listening to the rain.
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