A partial answer, but poor DH :(

[Bumperstump Cummerbund]

Professor got the results of his SA yesterday - count of 2 million, where it apparently should be around 15 million They were going to do a morphology and motility, but there wasn't enough, so we've only got the count.

Needless to say, he's pretty cut. He was severely bullied in primary school, the boys would regularly kick him in the testicles, so he was pretty sure that it may be one of our problems - but hearing just how much has shocked both of us. Little jerks, I wonder if any of them think of him now and regret what they did?

So, he's got a follow up referral for a few months time. We're gonna try boosting his count with general health and vitamins, and he's under a lot of stress at the moment so we're working on that too. I'm googling and reading stuff in here, but any advice/tips would be much appreciated

[LizLemon]

to you and DH. It was and still is a huge blow to my DH when we got the results of his tests. For some reason men find it more as a confidence blow to have fertility problems than women do.

I don't have any advice in raising count etc I'm sorry. We tried menevit, which our FS was trialling at the time and it made zippo of difference. We also saw an andrologist who did a heap of further tests (including an Ultrasound) which showed a small varicocele (like a varicose vein around the testicle) which gave us huge hope but it turned out to be too small to treat, and unlikely to be causing the issue. In the end we did ICSI through our FS.

If you want the details of the Andrologist (I'm in Perth too) let me know.

Best of luck, these things are so so hard.

[Jennifer13]

How are you doing this morning, hun? I hope you had a chance to comfort each other as it all sinks in.

Sounds like some of the girls are giving you some great practical ideas as well.

[Bumperstump Cummerbund]

He's not talking about it When the issues relate to me, he's super quick to pick on my lack of trust in doctors, but when it's his problem - and an easily fixed one at that - he shuts down. He's under an insane amount of stress at work at the moment, and has been for the last few months, so I tried to point out that that will effect his count as well, but he's not really listening to me.

TBH, I think he's at his limit of things he can cope with at the moment. Once this damn work situation is resolved maybe he'll actually listen to me. I hope so, his work is starting to affect our relationship. But that's for another thread.

Thanks for all your suggestions ladies - I'm adding them all into my 'book', and will change what I have control over, until he's ready to help out. Food and exercise I can look after, even the Royal Jelly stuff. It's a start anyway

[Jennifer13]

Thanks for all your suggestions ladies - I'm adding them all into my 'book', and will change what I have control over, until he's ready to help out. Food and exercise I can look after, even the Royal Jelly stuff. It's a start anyway

Time to crush up the Menevit and sprinkle it on his cereal! JK.

I'm so sorry you guys are dealing with so much stress. It sounds like you're going through a lot right now. I hope you can come through it all soon.

[Tuesday's Child]

for you and for Professor

He might just be processing, instead of talking (as men do ). I hope his work issues resolve soon. I think you're right to focus on the changes YOU can make for now.

[Teeki]

Oh your poor DH Sorry, I have no advice, but we were worried the same thing could happen to us after a few incidences in DH's childhood. Those kids, I can imagine how angry you are at them - reading your post makes me furious at their treatment of your DH.

I hope things can take a turn for the better for both of you very soon

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[butterfly_warrior]

Keike...

I remember well the moment we got our semen analysis results and told that we had zero chance of natural conception and that ICSI was our only choice. It's a hard thing to have to face.

BW

[Bumperstump Cummerbund]

The longer I think about it, the more it affects me BW. We made the decision a long time ago that we wouldn't be using IVF or FET or anything like that, the most we would do was ovulation induction. The FS yesterday recommended we freeze a sample, as the count is likely to go down as he gets older (he's 32 this year), which just hammered it into us. I mean, I know realistically we only need 1 out of 2 million, but we don't know what state they're in! 2 million with no tails is pretty much the end for us.

[Bumperstump Cummerbund]

You're the example I gave him yesterday PZ, when we got the call. I told him about your miracle Isla, and your odds, and it perked him up a bit

[butterfly_warrior]

Keike, I remember thinking very similar thoughts. DH was initally dead set against IVF treatment, but he changed his mind in the reality of IVF or no children. With my health conditions, other ways to create a family are closed to us. So he agreed to do one cycle and one cycle only of egg collection... two miscarriages later, he agreed to another... and then another and finally we got Sam.

It's ok to revisit the decisions you made once and perhaps change your mind. A book that really helped us was "when the cradle is empty" - it dealt with miscarriage, loss, infertility and IVF from a Christian perspective. I think I gave it back to the friend that loaned it to us, so I can't check the author at the moment. I'm not trying to say that you have made the wrong decision, just that sometimes in the face of new evidence, decisions can change. Not doing well with words today - I certainly mean no offence at all and I do not know your personal reasons behind the no IVF, just guessing.

But you have got me wondering... DH was a victim of school bullying as well, and while he won't tell me the specifics of what he went through, I certainly think the kicks to the groin may have featured highly - and it sickens me.

BW

[PumpkinZulu]

You're the example I gave him yesterday PZ, when we got the call. I told him about your miracle Isla, and your odds, and it perked him up a bit

I'm glad Hold your DH close, he is a very sweet man, much like my DF, and I saw how devistating an effect finding out the news was on DF. He felt every emotion you could imagine...up until then, the assumption was that it was all me with the fertility issues, as I was the one having all the invasive tests, I was the one charting, I was the one that was bedridden with every AF...he just assumed that that was enough bad luck, and that he would be fine It's a shock, for us too, but for them, because they want to be our protectors and providers...and when they can't protect us from the hurt, or provide us with a child, they feel very insecure. My DF did anyway.

[PumpkinZulu]

Oh babe, to you and DH I remember when DF's SA came back...count was fine, motility was low, but the kicker was that only 4% of them were viable - the rest of them didn't have heads, which means that genetically they were useless...may have explaned all our prior miscarriages though. The andrologist we were seeing gave us a 2% chance of concieving naturally, DF's problems combined with my own. We found that out in July, ater an 89 day cycle, AF came. Then I had my HyCoSy, which showed a bit of blockage in one tube, and also cysts on my left ovary. AF came. Then, she didn't. Against the odds, DF's stupid slow headless sperm met one of my tempermental eggs and we made Isla. I know how hard it is to get such solid news, such ****ty news But, now you know. Now you can work with that. Those boys who bullied your poor DH, shame on them! That is disgusting Huge hugs to you and DH...when you're ready, you'll both be able to move on from this stronger people, because, as crappy as that knowledge is, at least now you're armed with it.

ETA: Are you having further testing to find out what condition they're in at all?

[onthefly]

Oh, poor Professor (and you too!). It is good to have some idea of what you are dealing with though

[Rainbow_Mumma]

Oh hunni I feel so much for you and DH! When we were having our own fertility issues we were told zinc would boost DHs count other than that I can't remember I do have a book somewhere that I can find for you if you want some recipes from it they are all designed to boost both male and female fertility


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[Jennifer13]

Oh hun. I can only imagine how this must feel. I hope the two of you get to talk this over and that the boosting efforts work.

[LysnDan]

Big gentle hugs for professor (and yourself my dear)

My DH refuses to do a SA just in case his swimmers are causing the infertility. at least you know now and can do things to better it now...

Hubby takes menevit. (along with me taking clomid and prenatals)

I hope it's working and gives him the courage to go get a SA done. If he doesn't do it I can't go to see the obgyn. It's a requirement...

Anyways back to professor. Poor love. Jump right on it, you WILL get there! I'm very sure of it dear!

You and professor are in my thoughts xx


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[LysnDan]

Jen, I think menevit is actually a liquid capsule? I think hubby said. So it'll be more like slip it into his drink!! Haha I haven't had it but apparently it tastes yuck! Lol (coming from dh!)


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