dea.....thank-you for everything (in a good way).....you have been great along this journey......yes it is sad that it didn't happen the way we wanted it to happen, but like dh just said.....things happen for a reason, and that he feels deep in his heart, that something is going to happen, and we will find a way of having another baby......he is also wanting me to look into ivf, so this way we can cover all bases so to speak.....we will still keep our options of a tr, but we are not probably also going to look into the ivf route as well :-) cheers kiya