When does the baby's soul enter the body?

[~StarBright~]

WHat a nice interesting thread!!

I have often pondered this myself as i was coming to terms with my own losses. I came to completely "uneducated" idea that a spirit chooses its parents and is "around" for conception and very close tot he parents even before. Then during the pregnancy as the physical form grows, the spirit has a time of adjustment and can in a sense, weave in and out of the physical form, but can not stray far from mum or the physical form.

Then i think there is something that happens once the first breath of air is taken. A complete connection of mind body and spirit as life is breathed into the physical form.

I can go into how i came to these conclusions based on my own hopes for my angel babies and re-incarnations, but as i said- they are not based in any education, just hopes..

I lost my little boy at 18 weeks, his body wasnt formed properly, so i like to beleive his spirit didnt have to be trapped in it and in pain. I felt him though (not physically- spiritually) so i know he was around, but i hope he wasnt feeling pain.

Oh and as for physical resemblance, if i had photo of all three of them (Darren who i lost at 18 weeks didnt really have any distinguishable features) at birth- you would swear they were all the same baby

I lost my daughter at 36 weeks, she died inutero and never took a breath, but with her pregnancy- i did feel that her spirit was more grounded to her physical body, she wasnt floating like her brother, she was grounded. So i beleive that she did experience some of a connection with her body.

Then i go to my ideas of re-incarnation and the idea of "spirit babies".. my babies didnt get to take a breath. They didnt cement the mind, body, spirit connection, so as far as i am concerned, they got to come back to me... in the form of my earth babies, my little boy, and now my little girl. NOw with the concept of mind, body, spirit, i know they are not the exact children i lost, they have different physical structure, different circumstances that make them who they are, but i beleive they are the same soul's that my angel babies would have had.

But thats just my thoughts No evidence!!

(oh except MD my daughter has marks on the back of her neck too- and both of them had marks on their right eyes, though Zahra (angel lost at 35 weeks) didnt- any thoughts there???)

[Mum2Romone]

my son still has his stalk mark on the back of his neck. he is a very intelligent little boy and amazes me by saying thing that I have not taught him or ever spoken about.

I believe the soul enters the body when the heart starts beating but doesn't attach, to its physical form....until the baby is old enough to live outside the mother. same with the body, mind, soul connecting at birth, first breath.

I'm not sure where my beliefs come from.

I wish I could remember the name of a book..... That was all about past lifes and souls being reborn, recounting other lives etc and connection between people reoccurring again and again, ie soul mates etc.....

[LionsandBears]

I've read a great book about Life between Lives which touches on this. In it an old soul explains that the souls weaves in and around the physical form of the developing baby but does not fully meld with the physical form for a few years after birth. The soul sometimes leaves the body and plays on an astral plane. They use this to explain why sometimes babies die - their soul is playing and they forget to come back to their body. I hope this idea doesn't upset anyone who has had a baby die from SIDs

The other thing they mentioned is when children die young, their incarnation was not for their soul's benefit, but for their parent's. I can accept this on an intellectual level but struggle emotionally. The thought that our son died because of our karma is very distressing. On the one hand, I know he did not suffer and we were truly blessed to have had him. On the other, I feel guilty that something I've done in a previous life has caused this. If I chose this before I was born, I really hope there's a damn good reason for it. It's something I find hard to deal with.

They also explain that there is no judgement on termination. It does not harm the baby's soul. The same with euthanasia - there is no soul benefit for pointless physical suffering - so ending that suffering does not affect the soul's evolution.

[~StarBright~]

The other thing they mentioned is when children die young, their incarnation was not for their soul's benefit, but for their parent's.

Yes i have been told by phsycics that my angels came and went so quickly to teach me lessons, and i have been able to accept that on some levels.. also that for their own soul lessons, they only needed to learn and experience unconditional love- which they got in that short time by being with me... i have had more than one person tell me that it had a lot to do with my own past lives and lessons, but that i have made leaps and bounds in this life by going through those experiences. Two seperate meduims told me about previous lives where i constantly lost babies time and time again, life after life, and so i needed to loose them in this life to recall the feelings and put closure to them, and i did that, and thats why i was able to go on and birth my live children- which i hadnt been able to do for many many life times.

[Michelle71]

Tash - I don't see the loss of a child as a reflection of karma. It is not karmic punishment for something (anything) we may have done wrong. I do see it as a lesson that I needed to learn but not as a result of me doing something bad. For example, after Caitlyn died I found BB and a specific group of women who have loved me and supported me through my subsequent pregnancies and births.

Without the loss of Caitlyn, I would not have the same appreciation for my children and the importance of my time with them. I was quite career focussed before her loss. Without Caitlyn dying, I would not understand the potential depths of darkness that I could fall towards and did fall into for some time. Only after could I see how deep I really was.

Caitlyn's death gave me a different perspective of the world and what was important to me. She gave me the skills and strengths (and the very special group of women who held me up and hold me together) to cope and still give birth to DS2 and parent my babies after DH died. Without her loss I would not survived the past 10 months without Greg.

In the months after Caitlyn's death I could not see how this could possibly have a purpose or a reason. Five years later I can see the lessons I have learned and direction it has taken me. I can only hope the next few years can ease some of the pain of DH's death and give me lessons and direction that bring happiness and joy to our lives. We have had enough learning through pain. But maybe that pain is required to truly appreciated and experience joy on a different level

[MissM]

Fascinating thread! I love it

I have been told by a clairvoyant who also done past life readings that the loss of a child can also be that sometimes that particular 'soul' wants to experience the process.

Interesting to think about though!

[LionsandBears]

Thanks for your response Michelle. I've PM'd you, as my response went way off topic.

[Arcadia]

I think a babys soul exists even before conception, but the physical embodiment of that soul occurs at conception.

I have had a baby boy visit me in dreams about five years ago...samuel is his name, and yet I haven't conceived him. I often wonder if I will ever birth him, or if I missed that opportunity. I *know* this baby is a boy, and yet I also know it is not him...but another young soul, like me and my dh.

My nephew has one of the oldest souls I have ever encountered. I cried when I first saw him...and even now feel so uncomfortable in his presence...he sees through me into my deepest heart.