Ta Shanti, I guess I'll just try it and see how we go. I'm just so scared to fall back into that horrible overtired pattern of no sleep. It was so bad last time, he was so grumpy and I think it affected his development, I don't want to go back to that

He wont lie still, not for a second. I put him on the bed/ in his cot and he's up looking at things, playing, crying, andything but sleeping. That's why patting, sitting with him, self settling has never worked. He's just too busy. He's the same with nappy changes, nothing will make him lie still.