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  1. #1
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    Aug 2006
    On the other side of this screen!!!
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    ControlFreak, first of all big hugs. When my DD was about the same age we went to sleep school - her waking was beyond extreme - and with my DH away I was literally hallucinating from lack of sleep. You don't want to get to that point. Co-sleeping wasn't an option for me because I sleep really heavily and am obese so it was a risk I wasn't prepared to take. I had persisted with "gentle" techniques for several months by that point but the situation was just getting worse, despite using all the tricks I learnt with DD1.

    At the sleep school they taught a method that involved comforting your child in their cot every 5 mins...step one is to find a calm space inside yourself, then go in, tell your child firmly but lovingly to lie down, it's time to sleep, that they are safe and you love them. Then settle them by patting/rubbing back/singing/shhhhing/ but in their cot. Then you go out. If they cry, you never leave them longer than 5 mins (unless the crying is petering out because they're falling asleep). Then you go in and resettle, for a couple of mins, using same technique. You never leave them alone to cry and cry, the trick is to keep going in there at the same frequency (5 mins or a little shorter if you really can't handle it) for as long as it takes, but never picking them up, soothing and comforting in bed. If they are really distressed you can offer a cuddle in the cot, but then straight back into bed to resettle. If they don't settle after the alloted time, you go out anyway. It's hard for the first few nights but after that baby responds more readily to the soothing, and the technique is more about the soothing in the cot rather than the crying. This is not the same as controlled crying where the child is left to cry for ever increasing periods of time, with much less reassurance and comforting. It's also important not to try to do this sort of routine when your child is unwell, when they need extra holding and parental contact than usual.

    The other thing I did was increase the energy density of the solid food I was giving her (with extra cheese and full fat dairy) and offering an extra feed before I went to bed last thing at night, as her weight gain had leveled off. The bedtime routine is pretty important too. I also introduced a small snuggle toy at this age which I kept in my bra for a week before giving it to her so it smelt like me. If you do this, make sure you have 2 or 3 of the same toy to save you crawling around trying to find it under the cot in the dark LOL.

    I also experimented with a nightlight but this went very badly and in the end decided it was best to keep the room as dark as possible. I also invested in a stool which was the right height so I could sit and lean on the cot side while I patted and shooshed, which helped with my comfort levels which is important when you're operating on so little sleep. I had a particular lullaby tune that I would hum from beginning to end twice & that was the right length to settle her. After about 10 days I really only ever had to go in once or twice to settle and most of the time she just settled happily and went to sleep without any more crying. However on the few occasions she didn't settle I could go right back to the beginning with the technique and the consistency really paid off.
    Last edited by AnyDream; March 12th, 2010 at 09:22 PM.

  2. #2
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    Jan 2008
    Central Coast NSW
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    Thanks so much everyone - I have recently been contemplating the old adage that it "takes a village to raise a child" BB and you guys are definitely part of my village - so THANKS!!!

    The judgment free advice is sooooo appreciated - Thanks LZ, TM, Kaz, Santosha and Beckoes and Nelle - you all have some great advice!!!

    Special mention/thanks to Marydean - I am going to print your wonderful post for future and further reference!!! (I just repped you for another thread so can't do it again - have to spread the love )

  3. #3
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    Aug 2006
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    That's ok! I hope you get some success. I forgot to say, if bub is crying, get away, have a cuppa, do some deep breathing, read something, listen to some soothing musack in your ipod - so that when you go in to comfort your bub they will respond to your calmness (this is why the nurses at the sleep clinic as so good at settling, they know to go to their calm space before they pick the baby up LOL). And make some special time to play together and share your physical affection so that DS is getting lots of love & physical contact during the day.

  4. #4
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    Feb 2008
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    *hand up in the air*

    I'm another who had a wonderful sleeper... up until the same stage you are at. I did attachement parenting and co-slept and it worked so beautifully. Then things began to change and in hindsight I can see it is because DDs sleep patterns were changing and her cognition and interaction with the world was increasing but I wasn't changing the way she slept.

    I was, like you, a walking zombie and going insane when everyone else's sleep problems seemed to be finally sorting themselves out! I tried to gently parent it out for months before I finally got help. It was not a healthy thing to do as I was a mess and both DD and my marriage suffered for it.

    I also ended up at sleep school and it was a godsend. It was certainly not CIO or anything draconian by any means and was very much as Marydean posted. She has offered you wonderful advice in my opinion, and I am going to give her rep points for you!!! (ETA- argh, couldn't! Seems I have been giving her too much love also!)

    The other little hint I have is find a way to approach this calmly with the firm belief that there is a solution. What worked for me was committing to it and giving the calm approach. I used to peel myself out of bed with dread when she stirred at night to try to re-settle and flop down again as soon as she did only to have to get up again. That was pure torture. When I used Marydean's technique () I approached it differently. I would go in and do the initial settle, calm words to let DD know I was there and everything was alright then tell her to go back to sleep, leave and go and put the living room lights on, the kettle on and fire up the computer. Having another reason to be up - a cup of tea or the internet - really helped my sanity rather than sitting there listening to her and thinking about bed or worse, falling back into bed listening! I would only be gone for a minute, then go back for more calm words and settling, or in her case placing her back down from standing. It was all about the repetition and me letting her know that I was there, everything was alright, but that she had to go to sleep. It worked. I was amazed that with the calmness, I never had to leave her long to cry - I would describe it more of a winge mostly and she really quickly learnt to lie herself back down and very shortly, to resettle.

    I will admit that in the beginning there were howls of protest which certainly sounded angry and I did respond to them too, in just the same way. I never left her for more than 5 min (I used the clock on the computer!) I realised that the howls were because she was a smart cookie and was telling me that she didn't want to sleep. My reasurrance regularly was telling her I understood, but not sleeping was not on. I was teaching her to sleep in the gentlest way I could while still being effective IYKWIM.

    I also agree with Marydean's statements
    This is not the same as controlled crying where the child is left to cry for ever increasing periods of time, with much less reassurance and comforting. It's also important not to try to do this sort of routine when your child is unwell, when they need extra holding and parental contact than usual.
    Very true. One of the big problems with CIO is the length of time babies are left and the lack of appropriate comfort. This causes long term elevated stress hormones in the brain which are detrimental to the developing brain.On the other hand if your baby is in a stressful situation (maybe such as the anger I was describing earlier) for a short period of time but you offer reasonable and realistic comfort to help them calm down, you are in fact teaching them ways to moderate this stress. I hope that makes sense... it is late and I should be in bed!

    I also did the same thing during day sleeps and spent that week or so close to home without too many outings (as much a routine as possible) to really cement the process.

    All the best, I hope you can work this out quickly as it is very distressing to deal with. No judgement, you obviously have your LOs best interests at heart and you can't ask for much more than that in a mum. Babies are all so different and the hard and fast rules of "you must do this" or "you must never do that" just don't really cut it in the real world. You have to find the happy medium and do what feels right for you when you have good information behind you.

  5. #5
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    Dec 2005
    In Bankworld with Barbara
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    Do you think he might like wrapping? We had a lot of issues with DS2 at around that age with sleep and one night I decided to wrap him and we had a full nights sleep. I didn't think of it earlier because none of mine ever really liked wrapping and certainly not at that age! Could you try reading to him in bed, get him nice and relaxed, use a dim light to read by so the room isnt' so bright and then just sit with him, beside the cot and just put a gentle hand on him to keep him in the one spot. We had more sleep issues with DS2 about a year ago now and he flat out refused to sleep in his cot and it got beyond a joke and I decided right, no more of this so we put the cot back in our room (we'd moved it in with DS1) and every night I would put him in bed by 8pm, turn the light off, turn the small tv on in our room with the sound muted so there was light and just sat beside him with my hand on him. The first few nights he cried a lot because he wanted to get out, but I was always there with a gentle hand on his shoulder. The first night took nearly an hour for him to go to sleep. He wasn't crying for that entire time though, he settled but was just awake kwim? I couldn't leave the room till he was fully asleep either. by the end of the second week I was able to say to him, 'ok, I have to go do xyz, I will be back in a minute' and after 5-10 mins I would go back and check on him and 9 times out of 10 he would be asleep and within a month I was able to put him to bed awake and leave him there. It really helped doing it at the exact same time each night too. Even if you don't have a routine as such during the day, having one at night might help and get him clued in that its nighttime and time for him to wind down and go to sleep. I hope it doesn't last much longer for you though.

  6. #6
    BellyBelly Life Subscriber & MPM

    Feb 2007
    Melbourne
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    Just wanted to offer you some hugs too .

    My DS2 was a shocker overnight and by 5.5 months I was slipping into depression. I was beside myself and did not like the person I was becoming from sleep deprivation. My boys and DH and I were all suffering because of it. Our paediatric chiro recommended using a method very similar to what Marydean described (great description btw ). I stayed at my mum's house for a few days for the extra support during the day (she helped look after DS1, cooked for me, etc) and tried the method at her house. It took 5 nights and DS2 was sleeping through the night. It was the best thing we could have done. There was actually very little crying (it just feels like heaps at the time) and DS2 was not at all traumatised because there is lots of reassurance, no CIO.

    If you need help/support/a cheering squad, etc., please don't be afraid to post in here and ask for it.
    We'll all be here for you . Feel free to PM me any time too .

  7. #7
    Registered User

    Sep 2008
    Gold Coast
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    CF, the only advice I can give is be consistent with what you do.
    What you are going to do will most likely involve tears. Chances are, once your bubs learns what to expect, she will settle almost straight away.
    But this may take a couple of days.
    Dont waver in your going to bed routine and dont give in and get her up unless you have absolutly no choice. Giving in will only(at best) prolong the angst and (at worst) will cause it to fail.
    There is an amazing amount of security in routine and once your bubs knows what the drill is, she will most likely just fit in with it with minimal fuss.
    Good luck and I hope whatever you decide to do is successful.