Tizzie Hall routines

[JordieC]

Thanks goodness this thread is here! I've been having some trouble with DD's sleeping and after talking to BF and HN who both love it I was feeling a bit of pressure to do her routines. I don't want to cause they are so ridiculously strict!! I did like some of her settling ideas but there is now way I will leave DD screaming or even crying and patting her for up to 40 mins when I can give her a quick cuddle and she will fall asleep. Yes we're still having some issue but I'm sure there are some other ways to solve them. Anyway good to hear that she is not someone I have to pay attention to!

[fionas]

I'm a cuddler too Jordie. Much easier (and nicer) than patting. I gave up the "no eye contact" rule (not sure if this is Tizzie's or some other expert's) VERY early after DD entranced me one night at 3am and I couldn't take my eyes off her. I wouldn't have missed it for the world!

[BellyBelly]

Its a joke that so many routines out there expect us to treat our babies in a way that we would never treat our loved ones. Like at night, when we are cuddling up to our partner all snuggled in and wanted to connect for the night but what if they kept looking away and wouldn't give eye contact. Blugh.

The books I think are must reads are the Science of Parenting by Margot Sunderland and any of Pinky McKays books. You will get plenty of ideas and reassurance about how you parent, from birth to childhood. It's all about respect. Even that new government health website worth 11m of our hard earned taxes is a huge disappointment. In it, it tells you that when you do controlled crying, is can make babies vomit and you shouldn't make a fuss of it and carry on. Well I am sorry, but that's plain disturbing and if a child, let alone any human vomits in distress then I am not going to pretend nothing happened and move on. They are in need of COMFORT.

[Lulu]

OMG! hack in and take it down!!! That's appalling!

[sushee]

OMG really??? Do they have a feedback function on that website? Coz I've got some feedback for them alright!

[Astrid]

I entered feedback when I first came across it. Absolutely horrified that a Govt website promotes such practices.

[BellyBelly]

Deirdre, have you checked out our main site which has heaps of settling articles?

https://www.bellybelly.com.au/baby/

Oh and those who want to thrash the raising children network (trust me, lots of us have written in and complained but it's still there since 2006, serving the community - gotta love the government!):

What if my baby vomits?
Some babies tend to vomit more often than others and about one in five may vomit during controlled comforting. If this happens it can be upsetting for baby and parent. Try to calmly clean up any vomit from the bed and put a clean nappy wrap under your baby?s head. It's best to avoid making a big fuss, turning on lights, or completely changing the baby unless absolutely necessary. Otherwise, some babies can learn to vomit each time they are put into the cot.

This is a Royal Children's Hospital article, from Melbourne!

Raising Children Network | Controlled comforting

Complain at the link at the bottom of the article 'Feedback - tell us what you think of this article'

What I think isn't appropriate for the family timeslot It's a monstrosity

[leebee81]

I haven't read her work myself but its pretty popular on other forums. I felt very uncomfortable personally when mothers talk about letting small babies cry for 40 minutes at a time - and that was before my baby arrived. Now that he is here I can't imagine letting him cry for that long. He cries because he needs me, because he is hungry or wet or uncomfortable, not because he wants to willfully destroy my sleep.

Also, my primary concern at this point is breasfeeding, and I just don't see how a strict schedule would work for us - if he is hungry, he is hungry, and he shouldn't have to wait to eat.

I'm pleased to realise that not everyone thinks that strict schedules and routines are the way to 'manage' babies - makes me feel more confidant in my decision to be baby-led at this time.

ETA: What happened with Tizzie? Did she sue or did it all blow over?

[Ginger]

my mchn suggested all the mothers in our group read tizzie's book 'save our sleep'. unfortunately 3 mothers went out and bought it and have been using it. i refused to read it, but flipped through it at a friend's place cos i wanted to see what she was suggesting. i didn't like what i was reading, especially as this was at the same time as i was reading all about cortisol releasing in 'the science of parenting'. i'm not really sure what my point is here, except to say that i am so glad i discovered bb and have been pointed in the right direction (pinky, margot sutherland). if i hadn't, i may have followed the inappropriate advice of the mchn.

[meow]

How frustrating. At our breast feeding class last night our teacher recommended Pinky McKay and Margot Sutherland... I had a lot of respect for everything she had to say then

[leebee81]

My MCHN said trying to schedule a newborn is setting yourself up for failure and frustration. She said the one she hates most is Gina Ford but she wasn't complimentary about Tizzie Hall either. She said if I want a reference book to try Baby Love but even thats hit and miss and that I'd be better off following Oliver's cues, which was our plan anyway. I like my MCHN