Holding children back = new trend

[Papillon]

LOL Von - darls you will see, she too can have her moments.

Guys, thats exactly my point. I do believe she will be well and truly ready come 2010. As it is, she has NO problem stepping into an unfamiliar sceneiro and just going "hi kids, my name is *insert name here*, can i play too?" , or she just goes up to a group and starts joining in. She also get's along with all ages, it doesnt matter what age, she is not deterred. Younger child, teenager, adult, elderly .. she just like's to communicate and socialise.

And as for her maturity, she definately display's a higher maturity than other's at her kinder. Take for example the day when in the bathroom one of the boys had put poo on the floor and neither teacher had seen it. I happened to be there as we were doing a cake for her bday with her kindy friends. Anyhow, ALL of the girls were standing around the poo going "eeewwww yuk oh its poo ewwwww"... DD heard the comotion and went to investigate. She walked up, pushed through the group, looked..yep saw it was infact poo, she went into the bathroom, got some paper, came back, wiped it up, promptly flushed it down the toilet..went and washed her hands and came back and said to the girls, "there its done, now lets go play"

Her teacher and i just stood there, stunned...and laughed. She is just such a 'mothering' kind of role i suppose, but it displays her maturity.

Although, she can have her share of a tanty, and look like a right royal prat when she wants.... but that i put down the fact she is so independant, and mature for her age, yet she still does have the mind of a 4 year old and often cant understand why she cant do something, or why we need to help her etc etc...

The only thing i am watching atm WRT her starting to primary next year, is her ability to tke direction. 85% she is good at home or when we are out (so with us), she will do what we ask. But there is a % when i have to repeat myself more times than i can count which drives me insane. But yet, when i spoke to her kindy teacher on thursday, i asked her does she do what you ask etc etc and apparently she is exceptionally receptive when it comes to instruction. She has no problems helping when they ask her to do something. The one thing she was doing was no wanting to sit still when they would have a story, however, she said in term 2 she is ALOT better so she isnt concerned.

So, i will watch that but by what i know of her, and see and what her kindy teacher thinks is that she will be ready.

I just couldnt believe, that from a school whose fee's for prep are just under 4k, that they would prefer we follow trend's, WRT to our children. This to me is just rediculous seeing as the whole and ONLY reason i was even contemplating paying the amount of fee's this school cost's, was for the betterment of her education from word go. And even then, thats because i know her, she learns and picks up things so quickly, that she often gets easily distracted. So i really want to ensure i send her to the best place.

I am now thinking though i will look at the other public schools in the area, as i sure as hell will not subdue her to trends before she is even old enough to be affected by these herself (peer preassure etc)...

I have also thought about the whole issue of she will be the youngest in all her years, and how this may affect her, BUT..... i cant help but come back to the fact i KNOW if i keep her home next year it would do her more damage. As it is, i am considering putting her into 1 day of child care, not for me, but for her. She is used to going to CC 3 days a week, and since kinder started we took her out of CC (we also moved), but we thought kinder would be more involved mentally so thought it best she do her 2 days there and that would be enough. But i am finding, everything she is doing at kinder is all she was doing at CC anyhow, actually she was doing more at CC (learning how to write).... so, i am finding on her days off, she is playing up more than she used too. So, seeing as i have taken on this new job, i said to DF yesterday, maybe i should put her and her brother in to CC.

Hmmmmm

I am just stunned about this trend stuff... but then really, its neive of me to be stunned lol

Thanks for your thoughts etc guys its definately all alot to go over.

[MelS]

Papillon, my DD was born in Jan 03 and she started Prep last year and was one of the youngest in her class. I was concerned a little too as she never went to a traditional kinder, just did 2 full days of a kinder program at day care. Her carer said she was ready, I felt she was ready so off she went! She loved school, but took a bit longer than the other kids to pick things up, most of the other kids were already 6. She is now in Grade 1 and doing extremely well at school, at the level she should be and is surpassing the level she should be on for her reading which was one of the things she struggled with.

I work at a university and do some work with psychologists and primary school teachers. There is great school readiness guide which looks at what areas indicate when a child is ready for school. I can't recall if its a DEECD (Dep of Education and Early Childhood Development in Victoria) guide but you could just google "school readiness" and I'm sure there will be plenty to choose from.

Or some teachers on BB might be able to give you more advice?

Good luck!

[LimeSlice]

I am born in May, and in my day (lol) the cut of was June. So I started prep at 4, turning 5.

I never saw A problem with this, neither did anyone else - the cut off is the cut off!

The only time it was an issue was in high school, where I had my peer group , most of whom were older (I was the 3rd youngest in the year level) and they were as such allowed more social freedoms than my parents allowed me - parties, sleepovers, etc...I was by no means restriced or sheltered or what have you, but there were many times when I wasnt allowed to go to an event due to my age.
And then when I finished year 12, I was still 17 - didnt turn 18 til the following may - so had the same problems that Feeb referred to lol
All of which was a PITA for me at the time.

I was more than ready to go to school though, and would certainly hope that if my mum had been told what you were, then she would have sent me anyway!

I would be asking this school where the "trend" is coming from - is it a school policy? Something that they themselves endorse to institute? Or is it more a general trend in parents and parenting that she is observing and commenting on?

From the sounds of it your DD is well and truly ready to head off to school and will do very well there - I wouldn't keep Charlotte out of school for an extra year unless she was very certianly NOT ready, which would be plainly obvious.

Oh, have any other schools you've visited mentioned this 'trend'? I would ask them also when you visit.

Good luck!

[BeautifulMadness]

She is you're child, and if you and her teacher think she is more then ready to start school, then i wouldnt hold her back. Half the time teachers dont know what they r on about. Each kid is different.

[Jennifer13]

I think I'm the very youngest here at finishing Yr 12 (in Qld) - I didn't turn 17 until the Feb after I finished! So officially I was enrolled at uni at 16, but O week wasn't until I turned 17.

This means I started pre-school when I was almost 4 and school (Year 1 in the olden days of the 80s) when I was not quite 5. I was quite small even for my younger age, so I was always the tiniest in my class, all through school, until halfway through high school. I competed in sport a lot in high school and was generally competing with those in the year below, not that it ever bothered me. I had a couple of friends who were in the same boat as me re age.

It actually was never an issue for me. I always did well academically and had plenty of friends. My best friend lived across the road from me and was 3 years older anyway. I was also among a group in Yr 6 who were analysed to be accelerated into the year above that even (but I didn't go - that would have just been a bit too far!).

I'm very glad I got through school and into uni so young. It gave me the chance to switch my courses without graduating far behind. And my first year at uni was still full of parties, but if anything I think I was probably one of the more responsible students. Once I was at uni there were many, many different age groups in the courses anyway, school leavers (young and 'normal' age), those who had switched courses and were a couple of years older and adults who were going back to study.

Just another viewpoint.

My DD is a March 2006 baby so will be starting school (Kindy which is the same as prep in Vic) in 2011. I have several friends with girls born that same month and we are all intending to start them at the same time, so the trend must be different up here!

[mrsmac]

She is you're child, and if you and her teacher think she is more then ready to start school, then i wouldnt hold her back. Half the time teachers dont know what they r on about. Each kid is different.

As a teacher I take offence at this comment. We actually go to uni and study to be teachers, we don't suddenly get up one morning and think "hey I might be a teacher today"
Its rude and thoughtless comments like these which have devalued the teaching profession in the public's eyes.

[mrsmac]

This is one of my pet peeves Pap!! The cut off date to start school in NSW is the end of July, fine I think many June/July kids aren't ready and should be held back- sadly in some areas (the area I teach in particularly) .its become the trend to keep them back from much earlier like March. IMO this is STUPID unless there are REALLY REALLY significant reasons for doing so.
In my Kindergarten class this year 2 of the children turned 6 in FEBRUARY! 4 of the kids were still 4 and other were turning 6 , this means these "younger" children suffer cause of "trends". I admit the little boy who will be 5 i mid May, is prob a bit immature and may have been better held back but this is exacerbated by these much older kids.
I have to confess I am keeping DS back (20th May) because he is a boy and because it will be better for him at the end of his schooling to be that bit more mature (and as his sister helpfully points out so he can legally drink at schoolies LOL)
I think an April cut off should mean just that- born before that- come to school, born after- wait.

[LimeSlice]

Your son has a great birthday MM lol

[christy]

Its so confusing, in QLD DD1 who turns 5 in June, would be expected to be going to prep this year. Her birthday is mid-June and she would be by far the youngest... the cut off age in QLD is 30th June.

In NSW, its unusual for kids her age to be in kindy, most of them would start this pre-grade 1 year next year if they were DD1's age.

She's going to an independant school which is an alternative to homeschooling and is doing Kindy part-time until she is ready to move forward. She will be allowed to do kindy over 2 years if its needed or to start grade 1 next year if she's ready. There are only 18 students in the school Kindy - grade 6. For us, this is the perfect way to go, because there is flexibility and we move forwards according to how DD1 is going. There are 4 kindy kids at her school, 2 are turning 5 in the next few weeks and 2 are turning 6 in the next few weeks. So there is almost a year difference, but they are all going along at the same pace atm. There is 1 grade 1 who turned 6 early in the year who sometimes participates with the kindys but its all good.

[Pandora]

i was born 8 days after the cut off, so I had to get kept back whether they wanted to or not, even though I could easily have started school a year earlier academically, i think socially it was a good decision.

I think the teacher you spoke to just picked the wrong words.

[Astrid]

Watching this with interest. Whilst there is no issue with DD1 as she is a June baby, bubs is an April baby so I have choice. The silly thing is if she was born a few days later there would be no choice.

I have been chatting to the local mums with older kids and others who work in the children services area. The general feeling I get is that there is a trend down here is to hold back. Talking to the mums that have been in that position it seem that there has not been any major problem in doing so, if anything those who chose to send early have tended to regret that decision.

The team leader at DD1's childcare centre wishes that the cutoff was based on calendar year and there was no choice. At the moment with the cutoff in place there is often a very large age gap between the youngest and the eldest. She errs on the side of caution and recommends holding back.

It is doing my head in and I don't have to make a decision for awhile yet.

[~Raven~]

I have both a Sept and a June baby at school (well not babies anymore but YKWIM). My Sept boy (M) needed an extra year but my June boy (A) didn't and I think he would have coped just fine if he started school at 4.5.

I LOL at trend. It's not a trend at all. More like the parents being more in tune with the needs of the child and not sending them to school whether they are ready or not.

[New Dawn]

OMG try movinbg from state to state they are ALL different...

DS is a april 00 baby so in QLD he had to start school when he was 5 turning 6, but we were in Darwin before that so he had already done a whole year of trans and was in year 1 when we moved... so he went almost back a year ( as year 1 is ( was ) the 1st year of school), Last year we moved to Vic he was able to go to either year 2 or 3 as he was in the age group for both... we choose yr 2 as he was already stuggling...

DD1 is May 03 so last year while in QLD she started prep ( as they only just brought it in ) but when we moved to VIC she couldnt go to school as she wasnt in the right age group, so we had to put her into Kindy, she wasnt happy but I was coz I thought she was too young to be in school...

Now that we are once again moving to QLD I know they will want DS in year 4 and DD in year 1 but I dont want this ( expecally for DS ) so I am going to have to fight to put them intom year 3 and prep... DS will be able to go to year 3 as he is way behind and we have all the reports from everyone telling us this but I think they will try to put DD up a year....

Sorry Pap just a little take over there but like the girls have said if you think your child is ready then put her into school next year... As far as I know with Vic kindy coz you have a child close to the cut off ( any child born form jan onwards ) you have the chance to pull them out of kindy at the end of term 2 the kiddy teachers will talk to those parents they think this will apply too... they do it at the end of year to coz of funding they way your child will ortermaticly have a place in kindy, so you dont have to go on the wait list... but if you wait until the end of the year it is harder for the kindy to keep the children back... iykwim....

[teachmum]

Ok. It doesn't matter when the cut-off date is you're going to have a 12mth gap. In WA we changed to June cut-off instead of December. This simply means that children born in the last half of the year will be six months older when they start school.

Having come out the other end of the school system, my dd is in year twelve, I can see the benefit of having a delayed start to school. My DD will finish school before she turns 17 because her bday is at the end of October. She's a bright girl and never had any problems academically. I wish now that I'd kept her home for another year because then she would have been more ready to make decisions about her future.

Kids are at school for a long time and there has been a worrying 'trend' occurring where we now see 3 year old kindy. In our haste to get them reading and writing we often forget that they learn best with lots of play, love, attention and being read to. You know your child best. Ignore the 'trends' and do what you think is right.