Wow fiona that could be my DD. I'm at the point to of letting her move out when she reaches 16 (see my posts lol) My DD also lies, manipulates and steals not only from us but her friends as well and she also shows no remorse. We have tried the counselling and family sit downs and nothing gets through.

Hope this other family sticks to their guns and if DSD does anything wrong they follow through and make her leave. It is such a hard decision and I understand totally especially about wanting a stress free house. I dream about this.