teenage kids can be so cruel and oblivious to parents realities of money and health.

[Lulu]

Sue - again, you allow them to gain access to the YAL, which legally you are entitled to have.
imho the fact the give the option for the teens to access money (which is there for lower income families that need it) is a silly, silly thing. I can't change that.

However, it was not simple for me. My rules are simple, but if you cannot respect SIMPLE rules - like contributing to the household, doing BASIC chores etc, I cannot permit that.

I gave my daughter a lovely unit to live in at the back of my house because it would be easier for her to study and have some teen freedom without the hassles of the younger children. She fully understood my financial position. I explained to her what YAL was for. I showed her the bills for her uniforms and VCE books (WHOA!).
If she worked part time, that money was hers as she has earned it.

But she didn't want that, she wanted the YAL because all her friends got it. I made an arrangement that she could have half if she kept her unit tidy, helped with the dishes and called me if she was to come home late. Be respectful of her mother. She apparently could do none of that. She got rude and nasty. I explained the choice was hers - be supported by me in the unit for as long as she was at school and uni. I could not afford to give her any more than that.

I showed her how much rent would be yadda yadda yadda. This went on for months. I had a part time job at school, so did nearly everyone else in the world. You have to pay your way. Even if I was rich, I would expect the same. How can you 'release' a child into the world with that sort of expectation? It is my responsibility to prepare her for reality...not put her ass in a sling because she would expect it for the rest of her life. My younger children would too.

I could not let her be so rude and dismissive of me in front of the younger children - what sort of example would that set? She wanted what I could not and would not give.

And she chose to leave. And I had to let her go. Now she lives in a place she has to do far more chores she ever had to do here. She has to be home early, she must pay her own bills, she must pay for her own phone, get herself around by public transport.

And she though it was a matter of leaving home and doing whatever you feel like - WRONG! So I had to let my 16 yr old daughter go. She is learning the greatest lesson she will ever learn and it hurts that I cannot be there for her but nevertheless it will be the making of her.

No one gets a free ride. I will not have my children being dole bludgers, expecting handouts or standing over other people to get what they want.

No one said it was supposed to be easy raising children - I gave her the tools but she didn't use them. She will though because I will never assuage my own guilt by giving in to her. I owe HER these lessons.

[Kailani]

Sorry you are having such a hard time.

I'm not very familier with centrelink polices, but I know when I was about 16 I initially had youth allowance paid into my account. I was a bit of a brat and didn't use it appropriately so my mum called up centrelink and complained and had it put into her account instead. They didn't even consult me at all so I'm assuming it was within my mother's rights to request the change. I was living with her and doing VCE too like your child. This was only about 5 years ago. Might be worth calling them? Apologies if you have already done this.

In regards to your childrens' lack of respect for you and your finances...have you sat down and had a proper chat with them about what is and isn't affordable? Will they even give you the time of day to do this? If they are pocketing the youth allowance, they should be paying for their own books/stationary/tutoring. Can I ask...why are you paying for these things? I would putting a stop to paying for all the extras. You mention them needing "clothes and things desperately" - was it really that desperate? If so, get in touch with the local salvos and they can really help you out. Hopefully your kids will then really get the picture.

[sue1386]

all the points are valid, but in some families simpler than others.

i have raised kids
i have been resourcedful
sought advice
done courses re boundaires etc
had counselling till overflowing.

we did alll work together till a few eyars ago and then in troubled times kids did not work together. i was the one there doing everything so i became he scape goat.
setting out rules did not stop them, nothing stopped them
they learnt they can do things like this and get away with it.
there are situations where a child can do things and parent is limited in what actions they can take.

victim can be used and overused.

also notions of respect yourself love yourself
i do that in many ways and am consicous of these concepts.

bottom line is that i've had to stay sane in insane situations and loving at self preserving in situations that have not been fair to me, and keep going when there are things that are not fair to me.
a compromise has been worked out.
maybe its fair maybe its not
either way i do resent it but am not able to do more to stop it.
its ridiculous they have the right to do this
but they do .
a person can be loving themselves respecting themselves setting boundaries, having discussions, and teens dont always come to the party and finances are not always enough to go around.
going ahead with what we can do in a very unperfect and challenging situation, focusing on the positive and doing what we can, is not a total victim picture. victim can be overused as a derogatory term.
good people setting boundaires and communicating still get abused and treated unfairly. its not like a job that you can just leave and find another one. some things we are forced to wear.

i agree that people around us can be there for us to learn things and i agree boundaires is one of them
but i have heard simplistic things for years that may work in other families but my kids have learnt they can get away with various things and they may be troubled and let it out on the person in front of them working hard for them which is me.
sometimes the best i can do is switch off and try to focus on other things and try to minimise how much it effects me when i cannot control unfair behaviour and i cannot abandon them just because they are behaving so unfairly or worse.

[HotI]

bottom line is that i've had to stay sane in insane situations and loving at self preserving in situations that have not been fair to me, and keep going when there are things that are not fair to me.
a compromise has been worked out.
maybe its fair maybe its not

That's great that you have decided on a solution and its working so well for you and your family.

[sue1386]

this morning i did feel i could chat with this child and see their expenses because i dont beleive it will be half the youth allowance maybe a quarter. maybe she jsut wants driving lessons and a bit of pocket money. she is not troubled like other of my kids, though my mother who meddles and encourages people working against me can be, but even in this situation i was shocked that when i went in person to talk to my mum she didnt seem as cruel and unreasonable as she usually does. she jsut kept on repeating how overloaded she feels because she is paying for a solicitor for another family member, and she really cant afford that , so bits that a grandma may usually give for a grandchild she feels she cant do and wants more pressure on me, even though my sitaution is worse than the one of the relative she is paying for a solicitor for.

anyway i think i will chat and see the expenses and perhaps driving licence expenses and a bit of pocket money some occasional waxing and mecines is what she needs and it probably is not half of the youth allowance, and if it is at least i can see what the expenses they say they have are. i think this child is much less troubled and difficult than others have been, she hasnt been through hell the others went through from their dad , so maybe we can work out soemthing fairer.

[BrightSparkles]

anyway i think i will chat and see the expenses and perhaps driving licence expenses and a bit of pocket money some occasional waxing and mecines is what she needs and it probably is not half of the youth allowance, and if it is at least i can see what the expenses they say they have are. i think this child is much less troubled and difficult than others have been, she hasnt been through hell the others went through from their dad , so maybe we can work out soemthing fairer.

I'm glad that you are able to feel like you can do this. This is a step in the right direction.

I went through hell with my dad (and at times still do) I still managed to work part time, finish my HSC and go onto further study.
By acting and thinking the way that you are is perpetuating this way of behaviour/thinking onto your children. They are simply learning/doing what they see.Something to think about....

Only you have the power to change how you let these people treat you.

[sue1386]

i hear you
however everyones situation is different
some kids have more of an emotional load
my kids go to a school that is double as long hours and give 10 times as much homework. there is no way they can work regularly and those who did suffered alot it was too hard during vce years and heavy studying years.
some people can have strong opinions that worked for them but dont work in other individual situations. i cant keep repeating this just to please others. i am not goign to keep explaining this. some get it some dont. thats ok i need to use my energy for other thigns now
some kids are talkable some werent
sometimes i am treated in a way that i dont have any power to do much in but go on when i wish i could just die.
sometiems i have to give when others have been immature and hurtful to me.
there are not rules tht apply to all families including ones where there has been much more challenges.

[HotI]

my kids go to a school that is double as long hours and give 10 times as much homework. there is no way they can work regularly and those who did suffered alot it was too hard during vce years and heavy studying years.

Your kids go to school for 12 hours a day? what is the theory behind that being beneficial to the kids?

[sue1386]

no not double as long but its a much longer day and the homework there is crazy. they are happy there, i'm not changing their schools now. but if i had my time again i would probably send them to a differnent one. in the context of this issue it sounds hilarious but the school spends alot of time teaching extra things like values and morals< which given this situation is pretty funny.

[Lulu]

Not very funny for you though

[~Serenity~]

this is just my opinion take it or leave it but why do you not make them pay board if they want to take their YAL.... i was a troubled person with a load o issues too but i still had to pay my way...i agree with many others they should either have you pay things and you give a small amount of pocket money and keep allowance or they pay there own way...you are not doing them any favors by letting them act like this thinking money grows of tress cos they will not cope being in the real world on their own and regardless of how troubled they are ppl will only treat you how you let them treat you!!...in the end you can only do so much , if they wont keep your rules and treat you with respect then tell them to find somewhere else to live...we already have enough ungrateul ppl in the world...i was kicked out from the age of 15 for being a giant pain and it was the best thing for me...they need to know how hard the real world is and how lucky they are to have you....

if you set boundaries and they dont work...you need to stick to your boundaries and follow through with the consiquences, if they know they can wear you down thats what they will do, it may take awhile for things to get better but you cant stop cos its not working...you can do as many courses and see as many councelours as you want in the end you are the only one who can make a diference..my mum has seen plenty but if you dont do what your taught long term it doesnt work....you need to take care of yourself first. you cant help ppl that dont want to help themselves its as simple as that.....

i feel horrible that you are in the situation you are in but your the only one that can fix it....why cant you move to a cheaper area now, surely your health and you having less stress is more important

[e_p]

Hi Sue - I'm sorry to hear about your struggles - I think we (society) often don't recognise how hard it can be for single parents and how much of themselves they sacrifice for their families. I wanted to tell you what I would do, in the practical sense, if I were in your shoes:
In terms of your YAL, if your children are under 18, the only way youth allowance can be paid to them is if you have signed a form consenting to this. If you may have done this by error, you can ring Centrelink NOW and have it changed. Even if your kids are over 18, I would be telling them they either appoint you as a payment nominee (download the 'Authorising a Person or Organisation to enquire or act on your behalf' form from the Centrelink website, fill it out and lodge it at a Centrelink office) or they get their youth allowance and pay for all school expenses with it, as well as board to you for the cost of feeding and housing them. That's what Youth Allowance is for. To assist with the cost of living. If you're their payment nominee, pay for their driving lessons and give them $20 pocket money! If they want more, they have to work for it, and report their earnings as required to Centrelink. If they don't report their earnings, no pocket money, no clothes, no waxing, no driving lessons...simply because they didn't hold up their end of the bargain (its very simple...they can do it on the internet...it will take them 10 minutes once every 2 weeks) and you can't afford those things if they dont do it.