When does the baby's soul enter the body?

[Possums]

Hello, I have been pondering this question lately... I am only just over 9 weeks pregnant, but the other day I saw my acupuncturist, who also does emotional/spiritual healing (and uses muscle testing to detect which areas need work).

Anyway, he said my baby's energy was nice and strong, but that he needed to treat me for anxiety/insecurity (this is my fourth pregnancy after three losses, so I am pretty nervous); and that he needed to treat the baby's emotional state too!
I was surprised at first, since things are so new I hadn't considered my tiny baby having emotions yet, until I realised that this could be an old soul who has chosen to be my child. My acupuncturist said he was sensing a feeling of disappointment from that soul, different from our idea of that emotion, more in the sense that things were so easy when in a purely spiritual state of being, and it's a bit harder going coming back into a physical form....so he cleared that emotion and then said the soul simply thrived in life. I felt pleased about that.

He said things will need finetuning in both of us as I progress through the pregnancy.

It got me thinking about many concepts along these lines (as I have when I was pregnant before).
When does a soul enter the body? Does it come and go during the pregnancy, going between a physical state and purely spiritual until it is time for the physical birth?
Is it hard for souls to adjust? How do they choose us?

My DH is happy to listen, but he is not really as open minded as I am with some things and has a bit of trouble getting his head around it.

Just really interested to hear other's thoughts.

Thanks

[nickle730]

I believe the soul enters the physical state at the time of conception. I believe it stays in that physical state for the duration of the pg and that this is a time of adjustment from the spiritual to the physical state. I also believe that the souls of my children were always destined to be just that - my children.

Just lately, I have been pondering whether our souls return always to the same family. My DD is 9 weeks old and looks nothing like my great grandmother, but every time I look at her I swear I see my GG staring back through her eyes!

Congratulations on your pg, I hope it is a happy and healthy time for you!

I'll be interested to hear what other believe.

[Tuesday's Child]

Just subbing 'cause I'm interested in what others believe too.

Glad all is going well possums. What your acupuncturist said has made me wonder if angel babies are those who couldn't get over their disappointment? So often we're told that it's something physical. But maybe those souls just weren't ready for physical life. Hmm....you've got me thinking now.

[AnyDream]

Energetically - this is all based on my own observations as an energy reader/healer during my own pregnancies. The baby's soul starts to mesh at conception...however it is a slow process and it's the energetic structure of the mother's aura & body that allows the soul to mesh more fully over the whole period of the pregnancy (this is why we can't gestate any mammals to independent life without the incarnational vehicle of a mother's body). I noticed my babies' guides stepping in at a very definite point in the pregnancy (can't remember exactly when but I think it was the 2nd trimester) which I think means the soul had connected firmly to this lifetime's incarnation at that point. Ideally the child's aura remains connected to it's mother's for a number of years after birth, fully detaching only around 7 years old, which is why kids react so much more strongly to their mothers' emotional state than anyone else in the family. Birth itself is more of a physical adjustment than an energetic one, particularly because the mother typically continues to hold the child within the energy of her heart chakra. There are also chakras in the nipples, so breastfeeding also continues to provide energetic nourishment as well as physical (it's the hidden ingredient in breastmilk that gives breastfed babies that "glow"). The energetic attachment continues until the child is somewhere around 7 years old (although some more mature spirits detach earlier) and the detachment takes place gradually, unmeshing a layer of the aura/chakra system at a time. In some traumatic circumstances the aura is disconnected early but this results in ongoing energetic (and emotional) trauma in the child's life. I have also observed that it is possible to have a (very) early miscarriage which results from sperm meeting egg and starting to divide without a soul attempting incarnation at that point.

[Possums]

nickle- thanks for your views. I also think that sometimes souls keep returning to the same family group somehow...I believe my mum and I have been together in past lives, but not as mum and daughter, for example.

Tuesday's Child, that is something I have considered before also.
During a previous pregnancy, I had a psychic tell me that there was a female soul coming and going, but was very restless, like maybe it wasn't the right time for her.... I wondered after that, whether that, with my physical issues, contributed to my miscarriage. Once you start thinking outside the square, it raises plenty of questions!

marydean, just saw your response, thanks we must have posted at the same time...will read it now

[Possums]

marydean, thanks for your thoughts, I find it really interesting, especially the aura and connection between a child and mother, even in the early years. Also, that you could sense when your baby's guides came in.

I wonder, since we went through IVF, and therefore the moment of fertilisation was in a lab, whether or not in our case, a soul waits until the embryo is transferred to the body.

[Little Chicken]

Energetically - this is all based on my own observations as an energy reader/healer during my own pregnancies. The baby's soul starts to mesh at conception...however it is a slow process and it's the energetic structure of the mother's aura & body that allows the soul to mesh more fully over the whole period of the pregnancy (this is why we can't gestate any mammals to independent life without the incarnational vehicle of a mother's body). I noticed my babies' guides stepping in at a very definite point in the pregnancy (can't remember exactly when but I think it was the 2nd trimester) which I think means the soul had connected firmly to this lifetime's incarnation at that point. Ideally the child's aura remains connected to it's mother's for a number of years after birth, fully detaching only around 7 years old, which is why kids react so much more strongly to their mothers' emotional state than anyone else in the family. Birth itself is more of a physical adjustment than an energetic one, particularly because the mother typically continues to hold the child within the energy of her heart chakra. There are also chakras in the nipples, so breastfeeding also continues to provide energetic nourishment as well as physical (it's the hidden ingredient in breastmilk that gives breastfed babies that "glow"). The energetic attachment continues until the child is somewhere around 7 years old (although some more mature spirits detach earlier) and the detachment takes place gradually, unmeshing a layer of the aura/chakra system at a time. In some traumatic circumstances the aura is disconnected early but this results in ongoing energetic (and emotional) trauma in the child's life. I have also observed that it is possible to have a (very) early miscarriage which results from sperm meeting egg and starting to divide without a soul attempting incarnation at that point.

My Mum says the same thing as you MD. She also believes all little babies and children are much more 'in touch' (sorry can't think of a better word) with the spiritual world then we give them credit for. How often have you seen little babies laughing and smiling at something over your shoulder and you know no one is physically there? And that over time as the connection to their physical bodies grows stronger, they gradually lose that connection.

[Tuesday's Child]

Thanks MD. That's so interesting, particularly about the ongoing emotional connection between mother and child. Although, it makes me worry how my depression is affecting her. She seems so much more relaxed around other people.

muminalice - That's so true. DD was constantly looking over my shoulder when she was tiny. And lately she's been laughing for no apparent reason.

[rurumummy]

I take my beliefs from my religion so in Islam we believe that the soul enters the fetus 40 days after conception or around the same time the heart starts to beat.

Its really an amazing thing to ponder and it sometimes spins me out that i was once a fetus and in a different world and i dont remember a thing

[milly5]

I just wondered if anyone else had read "Spirit Babies" by Walter Makichen?

[Nettie]

I believe the divine spirit or the energy of the universe resides in our DNA which is why I cannot bring myself to approve of DNA testing, mapping the genome, etc.

Therefore the 'soul' begins when the cells first split and DNA is formed. This is when the spirit that is choosing you as it's Mummy, begins to reside in those cells. I hope this makes sense - it's a hard concept to explain!

I hope I never get arrested for a suspected crime and get asked to provide my DNA because I would refuse on spiritual grounds. I completely understand the value in solving crimes - but I don't want my divine spark being analysed. It would feel like spiritual rape to me

[AnyDream]

Possums, I would love to get the chance to observe what happens energetically with an IVF conception...a couple of my friends have fallen pregnant this way but naturally have only shared teh news once the pregnancy is well established.

muminalice - definitely agree that young children are much more perceptive, some probably more than others. My eldest DD was born with noticeable marks on her third eye and her incarnation chakra (that's the one at the back of your neck, at the base of your skull...the very last exit point when you die) and when she was younger she used to make all sorts of freaky pronouncements, especially about my deceased grandmother, astral travelling, and even past life info. My youngest DD is much more physically grounded and has never talked about those sorts of things.

Rurumummy, thanks for sharing. I didn't know that was the Islamic belief, but I find it very interesting. Does Islam have any teachings about miscarriage or terminations that make a distinction based on the 40 days? The Christian church teaches that the soul blinks into existence at conception, and there is no consensus about what this means for the souls of miscarried or aborted babies. Not sure how the other major religions respond to that question either.

Nettie, that is a really interesting perspective regarding the DNA. My own belief (and observation which is now born out by medical science) is that DNA is not static...it can both degrade (as in diseases like cancers, etc) and also be repaired, and I believe can also evolve within a single person's lifetime. Do you have any thoughts about that?

ETA Milly no I haven't heard of it, what is it about?

[Nettie]

MD - our souls don't stay static and can degrade or evolve also. The enigma of DNA is the mystery of magic.. it will never be sufficiently explained or be able to be completely replicated or successfully cloned as it comes direct from the divine. Hope that all makes sense!

Sorry to hijack Possums We can start a new topic if MD wants to keep discussing it

[RainbowBrite]

Energetically - this is all based on my own observations as an energy reader/healer during my own pregnancies. The baby's soul starts to mesh at conception...however it is a slow process and it's the energetic structure of the mother's aura & body that allows the soul to mesh more fully over the whole period of the pregnancy (this is why we can't gestate any mammals to independent life without the incarnational vehicle of a mother's body). I noticed my babies' guides stepping in at a very definite point in the pregnancy (can't remember exactly when but I think it was the 2nd trimester) which I think means the soul had connected firmly to this lifetime's incarnation at that point. Ideally the child's aura remains connected to it's mother's for a number of years after birth, fully detaching only around 7 years old, which is why kids react so much more strongly to their mothers' emotional state than anyone else in the family. Birth itself is more of a physical adjustment than an energetic one, particularly because the mother typically continues to hold the child within the energy of her heart chakra. There are also chakras in the nipples, so breastfeeding also continues to provide energetic nourishment as well as physical (it's the hidden ingredient in breastmilk that gives breastfed babies that "glow"). The energetic attachment continues until the child is somewhere around 7 years old (although some more mature spirits detach earlier) and the detachment takes place gradually, unmeshing a layer of the aura/chakra system at a time. In some traumatic circumstances the aura is disconnected early but this results in ongoing energetic (and emotional) trauma in the child's life. I have also observed that it is possible to have a (very) early miscarriage which results from sperm meeting egg and starting to divide without a soul attempting incarnation at that point.

Would a child being born extremely premature interupt the linking of the soul to the baby or that precious link between mother and baby? Could it be considered a traumatic circumstance?

[AnyDream]

Rainbow, I suspect premature birth would delay the formation of the energetic structures of the baby in the same way that their physical development is delayed, depending on the degree of prematurity (I'm speculating here, haven't had the opportunity to observe the development of a premmie baby over a span of time). But I'm not sure it would necessarily involve trauma or interrupt the mother-child bond as such (although I'm sure both mums and bubs find the medical separation aspect distressing, that's not the same as outright trauma caused by violence for example). I remember thinking when I felt my first DD's guide come in that it was around the time that the very youngest premmies that were born were able to survive, so it seems like there might be a minimum level of soul attachment/maturity of the baby's chakras needed for survival. It may be one reason why premmie babies tend to be vulnerable healthwise even after they've reached normal birth weight etc, more reliant on their mummies for extra love and care.

[RainbowBrite]

Thank you so much Marydean for taking the time to answer.
That makes a lot of sense...both my little prems are vulnerable health wise...but strong of spirit.
My Ds (25 weeks) I believe was born with and old strong soul.

[~StarBright~]

WHat a nice interesting thread!!

I have often pondered this myself as i was coming to terms with my own losses. I came to completely "uneducated" idea that a spirit chooses its parents and is "around" for conception and very close tot he parents even before. Then during the pregnancy as the physical form grows, the spirit has a time of adjustment and can in a sense, weave in and out of the physical form, but can not stray far from mum or the physical form.

Then i think there is something that happens once the first breath of air is taken. A complete connection of mind body and spirit as life is breathed into the physical form.

I can go into how i came to these conclusions based on my own hopes for my angel babies and re-incarnations, but as i said- they are not based in any education, just hopes..

I lost my little boy at 18 weeks, his body wasnt formed properly, so i like to beleive his spirit didnt have to be trapped in it and in pain. I felt him though (not physically- spiritually) so i know he was around, but i hope he wasnt feeling pain.

Oh and as for physical resemblance, if i had photo of all three of them (Darren who i lost at 18 weeks didnt really have any distinguishable features) at birth- you would swear they were all the same baby

I lost my daughter at 36 weeks, she died inutero and never took a breath, but with her pregnancy- i did feel that her spirit was more grounded to her physical body, she wasnt floating like her brother, she was grounded. So i beleive that she did experience some of a connection with her body.

Then i go to my ideas of re-incarnation and the idea of "spirit babies".. my babies didnt get to take a breath. They didnt cement the mind, body, spirit connection, so as far as i am concerned, they got to come back to me... in the form of my earth babies, my little boy, and now my little girl. NOw with the concept of mind, body, spirit, i know they are not the exact children i lost, they have different physical structure, different circumstances that make them who they are, but i beleive they are the same soul's that my angel babies would have had.

But thats just my thoughts No evidence!!

(oh except MD my daughter has marks on the back of her neck too- and both of them had marks on their right eyes, though Zahra (angel lost at 35 weeks) didnt- any thoughts there???)

[rurumummy]

Rurumummy, thanks for sharing. I didn't know that was the Islamic belief, but I find it very interesting. Does Islam have any teachings about miscarriage or terminations that make a distinction based on the 40 days? The Christian church teaches that the soul blinks into existence at conception, and there is no consensus about what this means for the souls of miscarried or aborted babies. Not sure how the other major religions respond to that question either.

Yes in islam if the baby is miscarried after the 40 days it is to have a proper islamic funeral as it is considered a human with a soul
also although abortion is forbidden in islam if it had to be done for reasons like rape,extreme health reasons etc.. then it is to be done as soon as possible like before the 40 days as it is still only a forming mass and not a human yet with a soul and heart beat.