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Thread: Trying to Conceive after Late Loss, Still Birth or Recurrent Miscarriage June '08 #2

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    Wow, you guys have been busy. I love coming in here and seeing lots of posts to read.

    Welcome Danek and Sues. My heartfelt and very empathetic condolences for the loss of your boys. Life is so bittersweet, in one day I read about Mel1977's second angel baby and also found out that one of my Belly Buddies delivered a healthy baby girl. Even when I myself was in hospital delivering my dear little Hamish, I heard another woman bellowing through her labour. But hers ended with her baby crying. Ours ended with DH and I crying over our lifeless little baby's body.

    Jo, I hope Wednesday comes flying through for you so that you can be reassured by your baby's bouncy dance.



    When is your next scan Katie? Take care of yourself, you sound like you're very run down.

    Danek, I don't think I've actually ovulated since giving birth in April even though I've been through two cycles. I'm just leaving my body to work itself out. I'm reading a book by Francesca Naish called something like Natural Way to Better Babies and she really recommends avoiding unnatural contraceptives in the four months prior to TTC. I'm also seeing a naturopath, homeopath and acupuncturist!!! I'm not sure if they're doing anything for me physcially but mentally they're helping me feel proactive and gives me a timeframe for working through my feelings before TTC again.

    Rozzie, I didn't realise that you were in the military. It must be so tough on you to have to put on a brave face for everyone else.

    Tildy, congrats on your 'new day'. Take care of yourself, remember you need a healthy body to make that healthy sibling for your angel baby.

    How's the weekend going for Jen and Sue (Ryan)?

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    Hi ladies,

    I wanted to mention that I've finally started writing a blog after lots of insistence from my husband. If anyone is interested in either reading it or seeing a pretty picture of me it's at The Pessimist's Cookbook.

    -Tildy

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    Hi everyone, just a quick post before I have to go to work, then on to vacation!

    I'm in the TWW. I really hope this time it's a pregnancy--a healthy one.

    So I explained to my FS why I didn't want to go on the $700-per-month stimming meds. They were okay with it (like they have a choice, but you know what I mean). Clomid is enough for me.

    Keeping fingers crossed for everybody.

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    Hi everyone,

    Hoping everyone had a fantastic weekend. I can not believe the amount of reading I had to do to catch up. You go girls!!!

    Hello Hammi - have you done any temperature charting etc to see if you are ovulating?? I found it quite soothing to do this as it lets me take more control and at least I know that I am ovulating.

    Please please Tildy look after yourself and be healthy - I can understand where you are coming from. With going through IVF and other fertility drugs, having another miscarriage, I find that I am putting on weight and the worst part is - I cant lose it!!! it is so frustrating and I am trying so hard.....

    Rozzie I am so glad you have found a good Dr. It is so hard to do and I find most Dr's are so blaze about everything.....

    Jo76 You poor thing. It is really hard for people to understand in what we have all been through and that we watch every sign. Though I look forward to hear from you on Wed to say that the scan when all fantastic and bubs had all feets and hands moving around.

    Tempus - I am like mad that we both get our well deserved BFP this month....

    and hello to Katiegirl and Denek.

    Well with me, I am going to the natural therapist tomorrow and catching up with her. I found this to be very beneficial. The hardest part is eating for my blood group, though I did break out on the weekend and had some chicken - yummy!!!.

    Hope everyone has a good day. BFP this month for all of us who are trying....

    xxx Sue xxx

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    Oops nearly double posted. Having trouble at the moment with BB Website he he he

    xxx Sue xxx

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    ok guys!
    Rant # 10,657: Medicare. For those in aust i probably don't have to say too much more but today i went to get my refund on the $205 i spent on our ultrasound 2 weeks ago. (i lost the receipt -oops). Anyway the lady at the counter says that there is a problem and did i have a 17-22 week ultrasound last year. I said yes and she said so how far are you for this one i am holding and i said i was 17 weeks when it was done. She looked confused and i said that last years ultrasound was to tell me my baby had died and she said that because through the system it considered only a "full term" pregnancy and i did'nt have enough time to have gone full term and then be 17 weeks agin i could'nt get the refund and she had to refer me to head office. I was so shocked, in a happy perfect world none of us would even be in this forum and if there is anything that this site has taught me it is that there far too many of us around so how can medicare not factor this into their system. Yet again, got the tears and the lady was lovely but i felt so s****y at them. Man, i tell you i HAVE to come out of this pregnancy stronger after all these little blocks along the way. But good news - this baby after a 3 days hiatus has decided to kick and move around again. Cheeky bugger, so my comfort movements are back again!
    katie - we have pretty much mirrored each other and although devastating we are in this position to have got to know each other, it is also a comforting thing also. I hope your feeling better!!! My nose and throat seem to have started clearing up! HOORAY!!!!
    Tildy - i love blogs so i jumped straight on, you are a great writer! No wonder your DH insisted so much! This might be a really great negative energy release for you so good luck with it and keep it going!!!
    sryan - if you ate the chicken and enjoyed it you obviously needed it! i believe if you really crave anything then you need it for a reason only your body knows so take it as a good thing, even if it was a naughty slip from your blood group diet. I think your are strong enough for even sticking to something like that! i am hopeless!
    TM - thought about you the other day - you are sounding happier, poss the thought of vacation time most likely! Take care of you and i will keep my fingers and toes crossed for you!!!!
    hammi - hearing other babies being born was probably the worst part of delievering Jack. Not long before he was born i heard that newborn cry from the delivery suite next to me and it almost killed every part of me because i knew we were both here for the same thing, just mine would'nt have the happy outcome at the end.
    rozzie - hope things are looking up for you also...how are you going????
    take care everyone -i'll update wed night after the ultrasound!
    x jo

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    hmm -my ticker i don't think is moving along....

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    Jo - I had the same experience with Medicare. I had to explain that I was pregnant last year hence having 2 x 12 week scans within their period of allocated time as well as the 20 week. I couldn't believe I was standing there having to tell this stranger that the reason was that I lost a baby last year at 20 weeks. I was lucky that I didn't cry but I was so angry. She said they would refer it to the head office and it would take a few weeks to get the money back. Lovely!!! And yes it unfortunately isn't unusual to have a late loss -so why are we made to justify and explain our scans. I just adds to the difficult nature of what we go through! Vent over!!!

    Glad to hear that bubs is kicking you again. I have also been getting some nice kicks to has helped my sanity. I am looking forward though nervously to the scan tomorrow.

    Sryan - glad to hear you are keeping up with the naturopath - I am too. And don't feel bad about the chicken = just eat it! I am craving (and this is gross) a McDonald's hamburger - but I cant' eat gluten so it is off the list - but god I want one....

    TM - good to see you back. I will say a prayer that this is your cycle.

    Hammi - I have heard of Francesca Naish - do you like the book? If you haven't ovulated or suspect you haven't - would you consider seeing a naturopath to help kick things along?

    Tildy - your blog is excellent. A great read.

    I am starting to feel better as well but have a busy few days ahead of me. I think I have been run down and the baby is taking any good stuff I have and leaving me with not much else. I will let you all know how the scan goes tomorrow.

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    I also had the same issue with Medicare... I agree, you would think that there are enough of us out there that they would sort it out. I too fell apart and the lady behind the counter was lovely and I made quite a sight I am sure...

    I remember when I woke up from the anaesthetic (I retained the placenta after my Angel Son was born) - and heard the first new born cries coming from the theatres. I felt incredibly and totally gutted. It was hideous...

    Nighty night my lovelies...

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    Hi all,

    That's horrible about medicare, I can't believe the system is that rigid and uncaring. I've been lucky as the military pays all my medical bills, it's taken away some of the stress.

    Jo - so glad the baby is kicking again for you!!! It's good to hear baby can have a rest and be fine.

    Hammi- are you charting to see if you're ovulating? even still it may be worth a blood test to check your progesterone, I got a slip for it just to know one way or the other, at least then you're prepared.

    Katiegirl -glad to hear you're feeling better, now hopefully you can enjoy things a bit more as you approach the third trimester, how exciting!!


    It looks like I did ovulate this cycle... I was pretty sure it happened sunday but temperature didn't go up yesterday, but then it finally did this morning! yay! So now I'm in the TWW although it's more like nine or ten days in my case as my cycle is pretty short. I'm just glad I seem to be back to normal, if I'm not pregnant then hopefully at least AF will appear at the right time and I'll be back in sync.

    Hope everyone has a good day.

    Rozzie

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    Hi All,

    Just a quick question - A friend recommended a natropath to me who I rang and they want to charge $180 for 1st appointment - this only includes the consultation there are additional costs for supplements etc... This sounds like a lot to me - does it sound about right in price to you? Maybe anyone in Melbourne area might be able to recommend one to me.

    Have decided to go on the pill for the month. I've had traces of milk still so I'm pretty sure I haven't ovulated yet either. Anyway, I think the progesterone will help suppress the prolactin production and in theory will help regulate me a bit sooner. Even so, Hammi, I'm looking for that book by Francesca Naish in the uni library.

    Big day for me - I went back to uni. Pysched myself up preparing what I'd say to people and as it turns out, I didn't know anyone in my class so I was blissfully anonymous! I don't think I'm so lucky for the rest of the week though. But hanging out for the weekend. Planning a dirty weekend away with hubby!

    Hope you are all well!

    Danek

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    Hi Danek - yes $180 does seem a bit much especially as you will also have supplements and herbs to buy as well. I go to Fertile Ground in East Melbourne and they specialise in women's health and fertility. I think the initial consult was around $80-90 and follow ups have been $60. I have been happy with them so far. I have a feeling they will not agree with you going on the pill as they see this as messing up your natural cycle? I have watched my cycle go all over the place after my loss - but it also helped when it came time to temping and checking mucous etc. Maybe book in and ask them what you can do prior to the appointment - they might say yes to the pill.

    Well had the Ob appointment today and he checked the heartbeat with a doppler all good at 144 - but no scan!!! I was devastated. He didn't even offer it. DH thinks he is trying to wean us off them. So by the time we have our next appointment I won't have seen the baby for 1 month. Aaaggghh doesn't he realise I am a scan addict. He kept telling me that all is going wonderfully.

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    Belly Belly has a new Pregnancy centre in Melbourne. HERE is the link just scroll down...

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    That is so awful about Medicare. It's good of you guys to share that with the rest of us so we know to expect the same for our next pregnancies. Maybe we need to document things like that into a Chronicle of Ways Life Can Still Kick You When You're Down.

    I'm not too worried about the fact that I may not be ovulating yet. I remember Barabara said that she couldn't conceive until she accepted that she couldn't get her angel baby back and was ready to open her heart to a new baby. I think my body knows I'm not ready for another baby so it's not going through its baby-making processes.

    My naturopath is away till mid-Aug and I've booked in to see her then. I'll show her my charts and see what she says.

    Danek, she charged about $120 for the initial consult and $70 for all follow-ups plus extra for herbs and vitamins. I've never spent so much money on health as I have now but it's keeping me sane so I think it's worth it.

    Jo, your ticker is moving along very nicely. How did your scan go yesterday?

    Katie, two thumbs up for lots of kicks and a good strong heartbeat. Haha to having to be weaned of scans.

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    Hi all,

    I also see a natural therapist and I have seen great improvement (though there is a lot to go). Anyway her initial consultation was $70.00 and $40.00 for follow ups + any chinese herbals etc.

    Actually went yesteday and things seem to be going well, she is saying that after ovulation my temperature is not jumping up as it should be and is taking a couple of days to get to the higher temperatures.

    Hammi - I totally agree that the body know exactly when it is ready. I am so glad you are charting and that you are seeing a naturopath.

    Danek I am so glad things went OK for your first day back at Uni. I know how hard it is, but you have taken the first step and hopefully it will get easier.

    Katiegirl how exciting to hear your bubs heartbeat...... I know that when I fall pregnant again, that I will be insisting on more ultrasounds.

    Rozzie - yippee for ovulating. for a this month for both of us.... I know I am so close to ovulating as well (day 12) though I don't have as much CM this month, but I did have a temperature dip this morning.

    Jo goodluck for your ultrasound today.

    xxx Sue xxx

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    Hi everybody

    Warm welcome to Danek and Sues, you have found a wonderful support amongst these ladies here. Katie and Jo glad to hear our updates hope you are starting to feel better, I watch so happily to see those tickers creeping along! Aswell as feel all your anxieties with you. I had an appointment with my GP the other day, just to go over things again, as I know and trust her so much, she is a fantastic DR. Happily left her office feeling more confident in our plans for next time. Speaking of next time.... I am SOOOO over this cycle already!!! I am on day 19 and have charted & temped for a few years but have also been using Fertility Friend this time. The problem is FF says I ovulated on day 13 (WOW, never done that in my life!), but I don't believe it as nothing else is really adding up, sure I had a couple of higher temps, but no clear thermal shift AND to top off my anxiety, my DS has kindly kept me up from 2am in the morning for the last 2 days, so I can't really see if there is a shift or not!!! This does my head in. UGHH....

    Anyway enough grumbling, I guess it means if I haven't Ov'd there is still a chance this cycle (YAY). I am with you Tildy I would love to be pregnant again before Cooper's EDD, but we are running out of time.

    Went to see Mamma Mia last night, it was a great laugh, went with a friend and MIL. It was good to get out and have some fun and for a while not think about pregnancy, babies, TTC and the sadness.

    Cheers

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    hey guys!
    i will post this in both the ttc and preg forums as i am really at a loss as how or what to feel right now and i guess i am reaching out for ANYTHING that may put my mind at ease.
    I went for my 19 week ultrasound today and all seemed to be going well and then i just got that sinking feeling that there was something but i just put it down to more of my paranoia, esp after this weekend re: movements etc. He spent a LONG time looking at the blood flow parts, much longer than i can remember ion any ultrasound with my kids before and then he asked me to clean myself up and sit up and he said that he had not noticed the baby moving much at all (same for me) and there was a heartbeat which was a start and he was going to speak to someone higher and show them the pictures from my scan. next thing another radiologist comes in and asks if he can look and says they have concerns re: a atery and the heartbeat showed up different in 2 measurememnts of it and they said it was looking a little fast (which is what they said at my 17 week ultrasound) By this stage i am a mess and he said he could see little movement now but not much but there was still the heartbeat. he asked about my previous loss and said that bubs is measuring about 5 days behind which is'nt necessarily a concern but they want me to go for a 10 min walk and then see if the baby has moved so they can get a closer look at the heart from the top. So i do that come back and the baby has moved around and the original guy said the heart was looking fine and when i asked what atery they were talking about he said it was something to do with having just 2 in the umblical cord and not 3 which can be a problem if there was only one kidney but this baby has 2. He said based on my last loss at this time the "markers" were a concern whereas in someone who had'nt had a loss may not be seen that way. He said a loss at 18 weeks was abnormal and he rang my OB who was'nt in his office and said they would make my results a priority and my OBs office should have them in 40 mins. So i am now waiting to hear from my Ob and the sonographer at the hospital has said they have noted that i should be referred onto a sonographer who deals with pregnancy only and therefore more expertise but ultimately it is up to the care of my OB and me to make the decision. So...what do we make of everythign and what the hell does a fast heartbeat mean?????????? Or only 2 ateries?
    I cannot go through this again and just don't know what to do right now.
    give me anything you have guys, i need all advice i can get.
    x jo

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    Jo
    I am so sorry I don't have any information for you, I am just crossing everything that it will all be OK. My heart is pounding in my chest for you, hopefully your OB will contact you ASAP.

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