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thread: Babies Born December ~ 1st-15th 2010 #4

  1. #217
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    Hi ladies,

    Hello EJ how are you and the family? 9 months wow it does go sooooo fast.
    MadB - Off to NZ< you lucky duck..... CAN I COME without the kids.
    Jules - you sound like you are soooo busy, Jacob is such a little man getting around everywhere. He is sooo clever.
    PP - What are you up to love?
    Kaz - Big hello to you? How are you love.
    Georgi - Hoiw is your family? Are you getting any sleep.
    HELLO Crumpet, Charlotte and Audax.

    Well we are all fine just getting over conjunitvities ( Spelt wrong) Charlie got it first than the twins. I have no idea where Charlie got it from we don't go out much and we are not the most socialable people around. Maybe it's because we have 6 kids, Not too worried we just like keeping to ourselves.

    Have a great day ladies
    Cathie

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    Hello everyone!

    EJ, I think you did the right thing by your sister in law. She did ask for advice so no harm in putting forward your opinion gently.

    Audax, I hope Eleanor is feeling better? Best wishes to your Mum, and to you guys for your move. I LOLed at the power cord thing… Millie shimmies for the laptop cable even faster than she does for the cat’s tail

    MadB, Dymadon saves the day here. Millie actually opens her mouth for it. Love the avatar AND the overseas trip! You all set for the flight? How long will it be and what’s the time difference?

    Charlotte, how wonderful that the gaps are increasing between reviews! Apart from Hannie being so well, it must be a relief for you not to have to make that round trip more frequently! Love that she’s yelling out “hello” to you in the morning

    Jules, Millie and I are doing well, thanks! I don’t think I have the balance quite right yet… but Millie loves daycare so I’m managing okay. We’ll be trying again soon. I’m soooo ready to go but we promised ourselves we’d give Millie a year to herself. I dunno about support… my sister lives 600m down the road but it seems like we’re going it alone a lot of the time as our parenting styles are very different and she’s super busy – has her 3 kids off doing activities nearly every day and she’s involved in P&F, martial arts, scrapbooking, PartyLite etc etc… I’ve been really lucky to have such a great mothers group, they have been my primary source of support, along with all of you ladies of course!

    Jacob is just gorgeous and soooooo clever

    Crumpet, the lamb cutlet pictures cracked me up. Hee hee!

    Cathie, I hope conjunctivitis leaves your crew alone soon!

    As for us… after being off sick in week 5, working my butt off in week 6, half way through week 7 (last week) I got called by daycare to pick Millie up – high temp, crying, not sleeping and refusing all food and drink. Very out of character. Poor little dot passed out in my arms at the GP. Viral throat infection. Dymadon and rest. *sigh* fortunately DH could work from home the next day so I didn’t have to miss another day of work. I’m getting there with it. Like I said to Jules, I don’t think I have the balance quite right yet, but I’m able to focus on work while I’m there and on Millie when I’m at home. I probably need to be doing more work stuff at home, but I just can’t bring myself to do it. Total shift in priorities.

    Had a great day at the zoo for Father’s Day! Millie was such a good girl, apart from the small issue of her clawing the skin on my chest/neck! I had her in the ergo and she kept yanking on my new necklace (with her handprint), so I took it off. I usually wear a bf necklace that is totally kid proof, basically she could dangle from it by her hand and it’d be fine, and she plays with that all the time. I didn’t realise that she’d go for the throat in the absence of a necklace to twiddle!! OUCH.

    Millie is totally clothbummed while at home now. I’m working on her daycare. I think I’m now spending most of my spare income on nice nappies. Must stop doing that *forehead slap*

    Thinking of you all xox

  3. #219
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    Hi ladies

    Hope the dads had a great fathers day. We had brecky here with some family and then after that just a lazy day on the couch. I really relaxed too which is very rare for me, at one stage i looked at some washing and told myself no i'll do it tomorrow. It felt great to just do nothing like DH does

    Jules i think the thing that bothered me the most about the CC thing was the amount of encouragement she got I'm with you on the sleep bothering everyone else but me, Haper on a really good night might have a 5 hour block but it doesn't bother me after 4 years of sleep being all over the place as long as i get some i'm ok. You can see it's all Jocob and what he's wanting to do, he's a determind little man

    Woo hoo for the toothie pegs for Miri, i hope they aren't causing her too much grief.

    Crumpet how are you feeling? It's not fun when we get sick because no one ever wants to look after us and the day is no different to the little ones. Hope you're better really quickly.

    Cathie i'm with you on not going out too much. Lucky for us we're quite close to the shops so if we need anything and the weather is ok we walk and we can walk to kinder and swimming too. We don't use the car that much until the end of the week. All's good here Hope Charlie boy and the rest of the kiddies get better quick.

    To all the other lovely ladies and babies i hope you're all well.

    All's good here i'm very tired and need to get to bed. Harper barper is doing great, she seems to have settled into a new day time sleeping pattern. She's now sleeping longer than an hour most sleeps during the day and some can be as long as 2-3. Eating, playing, giving lots of hugs. My boys have been such a pleasure of late also, they are playing together and being considerate of eachother, the other week i was so over being the peace maker for EVERYTHING but this week i've barely had to be once. I just love seeing them play and get along.

    Night girls

    ETA I missed you PP Your photos from the zoo looked great. I've never been to Taronga zoo and the one of the deer (i think??) with the city in the background looked amazing. Oh my gosh on the pinchhing!!!!!! Harper barper likes to pinch as hard as she possibly can on the flabby bits () of my arms when i'm nursing her. So painful. I'm excited to think you guys are almost ready for #2. Yay a brother or sister for Millie!!!

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    Hey ladies..... I haven't had much time to get on here.

    I have been sick with the flu since last Friday. I keep getting high temperatures which puts me back in bed for an early night. I guess I haven't been able to shift it as I haven't been able to rest. I dropped the girls at the airport at 2pm yesterday and by around 3pm my temp started rising again. I feel terrible today so have planned to do NOTHING today in hope I can get better. Thank god DH is able to cook/clean/look after the boys.

    Eden and I are flying to Melbourne tomorrow to catch up with a group of ladies from BB. They are the Dec 15 - 31 group. Another BB member is coming from Newcastle but most are there in Melbourne anyway. I'm very much looking forward to a rest from 5 kids but really hope I can shift this flu TODAY!

    Eden's doing well. Just started cammo crawling yesterday. His sleeps are getting better. He is doing one big sleep (1.5hrs+) & one little sleep (30/40 mins) a day plus sleeping through till around 6.30am. He loves his food, doesn't care for his milk. It's been a little difficult trying to find the balance with milk & food but I think we're getting there.

    He still only has 4 teeth. He has finally started pooing lol, even numerous times a day... DH says how can a little baby poo so much, and I say that he has 5 months worth to make up!

    EJ - We had the same thing on FB with my best GF who is in the states. She asked how she can get her 4 month old to sleep through the night & everyone was saying CC. There were 20 or I then came in and just made a simple statement that - He is too young for controlled crying anyway. She said, yeah, I don't think I could do it anyway. Then a few mothers came in to say that they would never recommend it. So the coin flipped. The others shut up then lol.

    PP - Your necklaces are adorable. It got me thinking I'd like to get both the boys fingerprints.

    CATHIE - The last few nights my blocked up nose has caused my sleepness nights I slept reasonably well last night though. I have heard, and I don't know how true this is, but a doctor told my sister that conjunctivitis can be caused by snot going into the eyes. Just putting it out there.

    CRUMPET - Gosh I hear you on the sickness. Just so hard to rest to get better isn't it. Glad Summah is over the tonsilitis, yuk

    MADB - Wow, enjoy NZ... For a whole month.... Have a wonderful time

    JULES - Sounds like Jacob is not far from walking hey. He sounds like a real go getter lol. You'll be chasing him everywhere

    CHARLOTTE - I just saw in the sig that you had an angel bub. So sorry to hear that. Hope all is ok

    AUDAX - Well I guess curiosity is a good thing. Keeps that brain ticking

    Hey KAZ!

    I've gotta run... DH has left the kids in their high chairs without food!

  5. #221
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    Hi everybody!

    Miri doesn't poo often still (99% milk diet), but she's screaming when she does. That's not good, is it? Any thoughts? Poos are not hard, but thicker than previously and littls bits of food in it. might post in baby area too

  6. #222
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    Georgi hope you get some rest and the germs clear. You must be exhausted after having 5 (i think)!! Enjoy Melb, it's been really quite good here lately, today's a bit cold though... Good to know you had a bit more back up than i did with the CC subject. My SIL was being told by many that it was better to start young All i could do was picture these tiny little babies... Anyway...

    MadB i'm really not too sure i'm sorry. Maybe with the 1% food she does have offer things that may help her. Does you eating things such a prunes etc. pass through the BM and have a simiar effect?? I hope you can find some way to help her. Loved the spag video clip aswell, she's gorgeous little girl

    DH has gone to sydney for the weekend so it's just me and the kiddies, going to my cousins for lunch tomorrow and not too sure about sunday yet. I'd like to try and have a sew if i could.

    Happy weekend ladies

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    Hullo all!

    EJ, sorry that Barper pinches you too, but I'm so glad I'm not alone! Must be something they do around this time, I was speaking to one of my MG friends on the phone today while I was out with Millie in the ergo (I found some moogoo msm in a chemist - we had been talking about it so I wanted to see if she wanted me to get her a tub), and I couldn't get through a sentence without yelping. My friend said sympathetically, "Is she pinching?... Sophia does the same." I hope you got some sewing done! I'm almost there with my patchwork jacket, just the collar and binding to go! I guess I'll finish it just in time for the weather to warm up!

    Georgi, great to "see" you! Man, I hope you get better soon. Enjoy your time in Melbourne, my sister had a girl's weekend down there and had a blast.

    MadB, I hope Miri's pooing issue is resolving itself, poor bub. Millie loves pears and they seem to keep her regular, although they seem to be going out of season so I'll have to find her a new obsession.

    Going back to the facebook thing and parenting... I need some advice so might also post in the boohoo room. I am having some real issues with my sister's relationship with her middle child. It is sooooo, so sad. R will be 6 on 23 September and she never seems to be terribly happy and is very much an attention seeker. Positive, negative, whatever. DH, Millie and I went to their place on Saturday night and my sister had her phone with her pretty much all the time and was checking those games (I think things like farmville, bejewelled blitz etc) while we were talking, which is rude, but she was keeping up with conversation so... okay. R was nagging for food - we had nibblies and the kids had gone to town on the cheese and bikkies, and my sister had told them no more before dinner. But R seems to use food as an attention seeking tool, so she kept asking and asking. My sister kept telling her no, wait for dinner etc... without once looking up from her phone. R actually said, "Will you just LOOK at me?!" I almost cried. My sister didn't respond. R was next to me on the couch so I just took her hand and asked her to read me a book. She did, beautifully, and I gave her hugs and praise. She's such a sweet, bright little girl who wants nothing more than her mother's attention. Soooo... what do I do? Should I bring it up with her? Keep in mind she's the one who yelled at me and hung up on me one week after Millie was born because I wouldn't take her advice to just quit bf because it was too hard... so I don't think she'd appreciate any parenting advice from me. I just feel so sad for R. My sister does love her kids, she just keeps them busy and prioritises her own "things". Totally different to how we were raised, totally different again to how I'm raising Millie.

    Sorry about the length of that. I just can't get it out of my head and you guys don't know her - most of my friends in real life know her (and she's friended them on facebook which is a whole other story!!) - so I feel I can talk to you about it.

    Busy weekend coming up - lunch with a preggie friend tomorrow (she has requested my sticky date pudding - who am I to deny the whims of a preggie lady!) and yum cha on Sunday. Mmmmm, foodie weekend

    Thinking of you all!
    xox

  8. #224
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    mmmm. yum cha.

    That's a tough one with your sister. I was just thinking the other day how much I hate it when people sit there fiddling with their phones and things and vowing that my children will never have handheld games for that reason I think online stuff can be so addictive though, or certainly compulsive. I'm guilty of this too (hellloooo bb ). I guess you would know best if she'd be receptive to anything. There's not much you can really do besides being a great auntie maybe if you show her a different way of interacting with her daughter she might try a different approach?

    Georgi - Phew! Well done being back to 2. Hope you have a great time in Melbourne with your other buddies
    We're stopping over in Melbourne for a few nights on the way to NZ. Have posted a thread about a meetup on the 8th - not sure many of you guys are in Melbs?

    DS pinches me sometimes! And he likes headbutting too DD hasn't discovered that yet.

    Hope the gunk-eye is better cathie.

    I think I'll try winding back what I let Miri have to eat - just fruit and veg again for a bit and see if that makes a difference. In the back of my mind I also wonder if it might be an allergy thing. DH's family is riddled with allergies and intolerances

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    PP not really sure what i can offer. It really is quite sad to read in many ways but not sure what you could do. By the sounds of it if you attempted to say something it more than likely wouldn't turn out too well. Are you able to talk to you mum about it?? Is your sister working? Maybe she's in a bit of a rutt at the moment? Unfortunately what ever the reason maybe your niece is suffering. Can you ask your niece over for a sleepover and continue some special one on one time with her? Maybe you can connect with her and do something about the situation that way,? Like i said not too sure if i'm of any help but i can understand how you want to do something... anything...

    Do you like the smell of the MooGoo?? Random i know but i love it

    MadB I know what you're saying about the addictiveness, i beat myself up enough about being on the computer for BB when my kids are around i don't need any games to distract me. I don't even have the internet on my phone

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    Crumpet - That's awesome you're all doing much better, hope it stays that way now!!!

    Cathie - hope the conjuntivitis has passed, it's horrible, my nephew just had it. Yeah, Jacob definately keeps me on my toes!! We keep to ourselves too and we only have one child

    PP - sounds to me that you have the balance pretty well sorted, you have handled it so well! I think when I think of having another I get scared of the lack of support incase I have another Jacob. He's been a wonderful boy but between silent reflux and bad sleeping, I worry I'll have another one the same and I worry about having to deal with it alone. If I knew I'd have an easier baby I'd go back now, I can't wait to have another! How exciting that you're ready to try soon! Hmmm, that situation with your sister is sad Your niece sounds lovely, she obviously just doesn't know any better. I think you did a wonderful thing, you are a fantastic aunty! I agree with the other girls suggestions, I think having her over for a sleep over would be a great idea, spend some one on one time with her once Millie is in bed and show her that she doesn't need to behave a certain way just to get attention. Good luck...wish I had something more to give you!

    EJ - the amount of people that are supportive of cc is frightening, I'd rather not know!! I feel for the tiny little bubs, they don't know what's going on... I just had two of my brothers having another go at me about Jacobs sleeping and I'm so ready to just slap them, I just smile and say 'it affects you how?' The worse part is they view ME as the one being a 'bad parent' by not forcing him to sleep whereas I feel I'm a 'normal' parent by doing what it takes to make my boy feel secure and loved (not to mention happy) *sigh* anyway, can't keep everyone happy. Sounds like your little ones are doing so well, how sweet Harper Barper is giving cuddles awww, aren't they the best!?

    Georgi - Sorry to hear you've been unwell, your body must be so exhausted, you've been one busy mumma of late!! Hope you're feeling much better and have an awesome time in Melbourne!!

    MadB - No ideas on the pooing issue from me sorry Sounds horrible though, any solutions as yet?? Hope it was only a passing thing and she's not so uncomfortable now. I won't even get started on hand held games.....my cousin has one for her six year old and he ignores everyone and everything while it's in his hands, he's not a people person and it's pretty clear why.

    Anyway, all good here....Shaun made it back from his ride, we missed him soooo much. Things had been tough between us lately with all of us so sick etc and we weren't really appreciating each other... the break has done us good and we're very happy to finally be back together I'm glad he's back safe and sound after hearing of a bad accident on the ride - one guy lost his life and another broke a leg. (on a charity ride mind you!!)

    Off to watch the end of the footy. Hope everyone else is well. xox

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    My gosh Jules that is terrible to hear of during a charity ride or any ride at all. But glad your DH is back. How did he go with the allergy testing?? You don't have to go into it if you don't want to here just hope you guys don't get another episode like the other month. Just kind of randomly on the preservative topic we were discussing a little while back.... i saw my cousin today and she had taken her son (almost 4) to see a speech therapist as he was stuttering a lot and the therapist has said that it's a reaction to food preservatives. I've heard of the behivoural issues from preservatives but not speech so much. Those who put these things in the food we and our children eat have a lot to answer for.

    Jules tell your family/DH's family to get a copy of the book What Every Parent Needs To Know by Margot Sunderland and when they've had a read see what they still may have to say about how you care for your son

    As you may have seen on fb today is my nephews bday. He would be 4... I really miss him.

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    EJ

    Cripes Jules! Really glad to here that he's back safe and sound.

    Moogoo smells looooovely

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    Hi all!

    MadB, doesn't it? It smells good enough to eat! So impressed with msm cream too.

    Jules, so glad your DH made it back safely. It's frightening to think of what could happen (my DH has his scooter that he goes out on night rides with his friends on) but I just hope for the best.

    EJ, hugs for you and your family. Anniversaries and birthdays are always so hard.

    Thanks all for your words about my niece/sister. The times I spend one on one with her are always lovely, I might try and get a bit more one on one time. My nephew really looks up to DH and will ride his (non-motorised) scooter down to spend time with him so I might tell him to bring his sister next time he does.

    Well, my weekend plans went to hell! Millie woke up yesterday with horribly gunky eyes and a pretty foul temper (not improved by us putting drops in her eyes!) so I couldn't risk my preggie friend ending up with conjunctivitis, so lunch plans went out the window. Then I had a text from one of the friends I was supposed to go to yum cha with saying, "Is everyone still okay for yum cha today?"... erm, given that the plan was for Sunday, no! Calendar mix up... BUT DH took me for yum cha today and I had lots of unexpected sewing time, so that was cool I made some suck pads for the ergo - a cute animal print pair and a snazzy chocolate/turquoise pair. Millie tested them out today, they have passed the bubby chew test

    I'm hoping it's just spring/hayfever, but I'm soooo itchy. ARGH!!!!

    Take care all.
    xox

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    nice work on the suck pads! i just put some bibs on there

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    Bibs is clever Madb! Ours have bicycle print.

    Pooing - Nellie was doing that for a while and nothing helped - dietary changes (not much, considering her favourite foods were lentils and cauliflower) more frequent breast offerings, and even a month on Coloxyl didn't help. What fixed it was cutting a night feed. Or two. Happened here when we moved madam into her own room, and then the poo probs fixed themselves. Have you tried some extra probiotics?

    Things are good here. Sickkness has cleared, so just enjoying some sunshine before WW44 is upon us.

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    MADB - Eden sometimes screams when he poos, but their the ones that are quite loose. He doesn't scream when he does solid ones. I guess, for him, it's just an uncomfortable feeling and he doesn't like it. I tend to feel that he's not in pain as such. I don't know if that sounds weird, but I know what I mean lol. Does she scream every time she poos? Or only sometimes? I certainly wouldn't worry about her not pooing but if it means pain when she does then it's hard hey. The poor lil thing. I hope it passes quickly. Hope you get a little meet up in Melbourne, that'd be nice.

    EJ - How was your weekend without DH? Did you do much sewing? I have only just received a sewing maching. I can't wait to make little singlets & stuff for the boys. I need to learn to sew first lol

    PP - It's a very hard situation with your sister. Gees, you couldn't dare say anything could you. Not sure who suggested it but if you could talk to your mum maybe that would help

    Opps, Eden's just woke. I'll have to finish this later

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    Thanks for the hugs guys. I love remembering my gorgeous little nephew but it is hard, i do wish he was running around having a great time with my kids. And i also wish they were old enough to remember him. Aidan was only 21 months when he passed away and sadly has no memory of him, Charlie was in my tummy. We have photos of him in their rooms and around the house but it's not the same obviously. I tried explaining it to Aidan a little on Saturday as he's really been into dinosaurs lately and loves talking about them being extinct and not alive anymore. I tried to explain the two somewhat similarly for him, it didn't really sink in but it's a start. We let some balloons go up into heaven also, it's always nice to do something to remeber him by.

    Well my weekend was busy busy and no sewing what-so-ever was even attempted. I find i spend my day going around the house with unfinished, folding, hanging, cleaning, tidying going on because i keep getting called away from it. I keep thinking to myself i'll get everything done and sit down for a little bit. But it takes all day to get everything done and then it's time for the bath/bedtime routine to begin.

    The boys have been so good but yesterday i found myself just wanting to scream in frustration at how demanding they can be. It's not their fault and i'm not really complaining in anyway, it's just so hard. Aidan has been great but wants my input and i have to acknowledge everything he's doing, it's constantly... look at this mum... look at this train it's going to crash... mum the trains breaks don't work... mum look this truck is making a delivery... And i have to play along with it with him. I love it but my gosh it can be hard to keep up with.

    But yay for you getting some sewing in PP!!! And i hope Millie's eye clears up quickly. I've heard of a few cases of the sticky eye so maybe it's going around at the moment!!??

    Audax i'm a little jealous of your photos with DD in sun hats and tshirts, i want some sun here!!

    MadB how is the sun out your way? Do you know if you're expecting another heatwave summer?

    Georgi enjoy the sewing machine. Have a look on Made it dot com and i'm sure you'll get some inspiration there, i look and dream of being able to do what others have been able to do. I know i can do some of it and will one day I'm sure you could too

    Well better go and get into tidying up, Harper is sleeping and hopefully today she'll make up for yesterday. SHe was great but went back to having 3 x 40 min sleeps. I think it was from Fri & Sat being out and not in her own bed. But she made up for it last night she slept 11pm-6am!!!!! DH got home last nigth and Harper woke up not long after, it was great to see how much he missed us

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    Crumpet, the lamb cutlet pictures cracked me up. Hee hee!

    As for us… after being off sick in week 5, working my butt off in week 6, half way through week 7 (last week) I got called by daycare to pick Millie up – high temp, crying, not sleeping and refusing all food and drink. Very out of character. Poor little dot passed out in my arms at the GP. Viral throat infection. Dymadon and rest.
    she loves the lamb cutlets!!!

    hope millie is better

    Crumpet how are you feeling? It's not fun when we get sick because no one ever wants to look after us and the day is no different to the little ones. Hope you're better really quickly.
    all good now thanks hun!
    DH is.... well to frank, useless at the best of times and that didnt change when i was sick

    I have been sick with the flu since last Friday.
    hope ur feeling better hun

    Do you like the smell of the MooGoo?? Random i know but i love it
    we looove moogoo!!!

    Crumpet - That's awesome you're all doing much better, hope it stays that way now!!!

    Anyway, all good here....Shaun made it back from his ride, we missed him soooo much. Things had been tough between us lately with all of us so sick etc and we weren't really appreciating each other... the break has done us good and we're very happy to finally be back together I'm glad he's back safe and sound after hearing of a bad accident on the ride - one guy lost his life and another broke a leg. (on a charity ride mind you!!)

    Off to watch the end of the footy. Hope everyone else is well. xox
    thanks jules!

    glad shaun made it back safely and things are back on track!


    AFU: well i think we are having teething issues......

    last 24 hrs summah has had runnier poo than usual, combined with a runny nose, drool, being a bit cranky, chewing her fingers, being slightly off her lumpy food and having rosy cheeks..... then this morning i wake up to our first poo explosion, OMG that was fun to deal with!
    her poor little butt and bits are red raw im using amolin but im going to get the moogoo msm cream to try after being recommended it.... when i wipe her she cried and tries to push my hand away, so we will be going nude this afternoon....

    other than that we are cruising along as usual

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