Max has had another unselttled afternoon/evening. A workmate of DH's reckons it's cos he'd egtting into a new sleep routine. Just hope he sorts it out quickly! We have just given him a shower, massage and feed, and he was asleep so I had high hopes, but have just had to go back in to settle him. Ah, at least it's given us a bit of a break as he has been much calmer since the shower.
As for not chaning nappies at night, I wouldn't dream of it - only cos Max's nappies are ALWAYS dirty! He goes back to sleep very easily at night too (touch wood!) so that isn't an issue for us.
And since writing the above I have caved and now have Max in my arms. Ah. the joys of motherhood!
Runner - I haven't cut out anything from my diet, apart from not having more thsan one or two alcoholic drinks at a time. I don't drink coffee anyway, so that's not an issue.
Dee - Sorry to hear about the BFN. Fingers crossed for next month.
Dee- good to hear from u honey and stay positive it will happen soon,we hope you will pop in here and share your news with us..
Gypsy- keep trying love i know how u feel,get Jo to email you her easy routine as well as some stuf on settling,dont worry im having the same issues,i promise u it does get better as the nights go by,do yourself a favor and get the 2 books secrets of a baby whisperer,,it helps,if not you can contact some sleep schools like tweddle,tresillian or your local hospital as most run day programs for koalas(my nickname for unsettled nocturnal babies)who have probs settling,we have had issue with Nixon since about day 3 after he born...We too put him in the shower,after he had one this morning it was lights out in 30 seconds,he slept 45 mins then awake,speaking of which he been asleep since 8pm ish has just woken himself up and is having probs sleeping now,dummy is out,he was asleep with no dummy but he thrashes his head about and wakes up and squeals...
Jo- Ill let you know if i need help.will ring u for a chat anyway as i could do with some advice,i managed to get the other baby whisperer book tonight,as soon as the koala goes back to sleep im gonna jump in bed and start reading,i can barely put the other one down...Hope you enjoy your trip to NZ....We are gonna go to Lakes Entrance next weekend to stay with the inlaws,i soooo need some ocean therapy,,,been saying for weeks im gonna go but im going come hell or high water,plus having MIL gimme a break will do me good as long as she a) dont pick him up everytime he whimpers,B)dont rock the koala to sleep,c)dont overstimulate and loud-talk at him when hes half alseep or trying to go to sleep....god bless her she means well,1st grandchild i cant begrudge her that
cheers and have a good weekend
Thought I'd weigh into the dummy debate. Before Owen was born we said 'no dummies' but that changed when we were in hospital. He seemed to like to suck, so we bought him one when we came home. It seems to soothe him when he's settling and thankfully he spits it out just as he's going to sleep, so we don't have the issue of him waking because it's fallen out.
Dee- good luck with your next IVF cycle, Owen is an ICSI (IVF) baby and we were lucky and only went through 2 cycles to conceive him, so I can understand what you're going through. Stay strong, hopefully things will work for you soon.
As for night time nappy changes, I've been changing Owen's nappy at night as I am breast and bottle feeding and have to get up to get the bottle anyway. Just make sure I don't really chat to him and try to minimise the light. Have been pretty lucky with the night time sleeps, as he seems to generally be able to settle himself to sleep and sleeps for up to 5 hours at a time.
Day times are a different story!!
Dee, HI! I'm sorry your first IVF cycle left you with a BFN I'll send positive vibes your way that you get that BFP real soon.
Runner, Strangely J and B have both had bad reactions to onions and garlic! Little buggers as we use them in quite a lot of our meals normally. From memory, we re-introduced it slowly when Ben reached about 3 months and it wasn't as bad. Geez, if J had issues with choccie I'd be in trouble! I've also cut down to about two cups of tea a week.
Bon, I always change J's nappy during the night. He's such a heavy wetter that it's a bit crazy. Even the mw's and community nurse couldn't believe how much he wets but pointed out that it's just a sign he's getting enough milk. Honestly I felt like saying "Well DER, look at the size of him!"
We're going really well here. We went to a pre-school open day today at the Montessori we want to send the boys too. I LOVE that place! Gotta convince DH that the super $$$ is worth it though. All the staff were guessing J was 3-4 months old! He's not even two months old yet!
J seems a lot more settled now. He's sleeping better during the day - although he's still only really having two long naps. During the night he is only getting up the once for a feed but goes off to sleep straight after, which is actually a bit of a pain as he doesn't even bring up any wind - which comes back to haunt me a few hours later
We went to the park yesterday and J slept the entire time in the HAB. I even got to go down the slippery dip with him in it
Bon, me-lisa - I have been following the guidelines in the Tweddle book sleep right sleep tight which goes through some settling strategies and talks about what tired signs may be. I've been using it for the past few days and Owen seems to be sleeping better. I got tired of rocking him to sleep and he was getting too heavy. He is now going down in the basinette and if it's going to work it takes about 10 minutes to do so. Let me know if you're interested in what the book suggests and I can email you the relevant bits. I'm sure it's no miracle cure but seems to be working at the moment. Tweddle may also still be selling copies.
I've been thinking about whether to continue breast and bottle feeding. It takes so long, over an hour and despite everything I've done my supply is still low. Has anyone had any experience with this and how long did you persevere?
I have the sleep right, sleep tight book as well, i threw it out, it encourages you to let them cry, but the other stuff in there isnt so bad... its just a matter of getting to know your baby, only YOU know what works for your child as every child is different
Well my baby boy is 8 weeks old today, does that mean he is 2 months or do i wait till his birthdate (the 17th) before saying that??
I just went out to spotlight to buy some more materials for the cloth nappies im making and so i missed out on seeing him get up from his nap and go back down again and I really missed him!! silly i know, i see him everyday but to miss one awake time (i knew i was gonna miss it anyway when i left) made me sad,i didnt get to have a cuddle or see his gorgeous wee smile... i shall await 4.30 when he is due to wake up again
Shell, I haven't had any experience with split bottle/breast, but a mum in my other baby group did. After about 2.5 months it got too exhausting and she went full bottle. Have you spoken to your community nurse about the best way to go forward?
I've finally gotten around to reading all the birth stories posted by this group and posted my own one. It's long, but it was such a wonderful birth experience If you have time (haha, that's a joke!), feel free to read and post a response
Shell - I expressed for 8 weeks for Lucie, didn't have supply issues but yes it was bery draining. Maybe try some herbal stuff to get your supply going? Have you tried the Aktivite shake recipe or Fenugreek or Blessed Thistle? Might be worth it for a few days to see if there is any diff? Good luck! Doing a great job
Ok gotta run...dinner to do, groceries to unpack, tired toddlers and a crying bubba......oh and I have to pick my dad up from the train station, no wonder the time flies!
SHELLSIE- yeh i have the tweddle sleep right sleep tight book,nope still takes me an hour or so to settle the koala....i use some of its methods but am about to start reading the other baby whisperer book which was a bit more informitive,we hear back from sleep school about the day programme for settling on wednesday,atm im just doing the same routine and bedtimes etc until then,today the bird went down in 5 mins to sleep,slept an hour,woke up then went back to sleep 45 mins later for another hour and 15 mins,,,dh and his brother have just overtired the bird and not read his tired cues after dh tells me hes yawned 5 times and crying and is overtired,,why dont men listen when u tell them!!!!!!!!! that and when he doesnt finish his bottle dh wont persist or top him up 15 mins or so later so he ends up waking up hungry and it stuffs my whole schedule for settling up..grrrrr
the little terd woke up this morning at 415am,feed and poo-bum,we fed n changed and he wide awake,didnt go back to sleep til 6am ish....its a issue with him not resettling but i wont cave in...he has to learn,we have done and are doing every mortal thing we are supposed to in order not to create bad habits but nnooooooooooooooooo mister president Nixon is a spirited little bugger....
oh he made me cry today,he smiled at me for the 1st time,we were playing and i got smiles,it wasnt wind either,hes smiling and giggling....its better feeling than winning lotto
cheers bon
Had a wonderful night last night,Nixon went straight down,had to rock the cot a coupla times but no dummy and we played his seahorse that has music and he went to sleep.he fed well.,dream feed all gone and kept sleeping,4am feed ate and straight back to sleep.now 8am had feed and one hour up and tired and straight back down...yay he and i are so much happier,,,i got more smiles and giggles this morning,ohhhhh it juts makes me melt....
anyway im going back to bed for an hour and have cuddles with dh now
Bon: When are you going to sleep school? You probably posted the date but don't remember reading it. Good luck anyway....maybe you will be able to offer some advice when you return.
Jo: Your ticker will say 2 months when Caleb reaches his birth date (17th). Hope that helps.
BIG HELLO to everyone else!!!
AFM: We went to a wedding last night (I was one of 6 bridesmaids and DH was one of 6 groomsmen lol). I was really worried about the dress as we guessed my size when I was pregnant but fit like a glove thank goodness!! Mum and Dad came with us as our babysitters and we all had a wonderful time. It was a lovely wedding but glad to be home.
Love reading what other bubs days are like! They all seem so different!! Dash has found his own routine (until next growth spurt). It goes something like this....
Wake at 5-6 am feed - this is when everyone is up in our house - we are all early to rise lol!!
Sleep by 6.30am in bouncer (falls asleep when ready after a play)
Wake at 8.30am feed and put to sleep in cot awake and settles no probs
Wake at 10.30am feed and awake to 11.30am and another feed then sleep
Wake at 3pm feed and play and feed again at 4pm then sleep in bouncer - can be a bit whingey at this time. Not always helpful when preparing dinner so I now make dinner before 3pm and reheat. He is really only napping between 4 and 7 but when awake just looks around and falls back off to sleep (or lets us know he is still around lol).
Wake at 7pm and play one-on-one time (tummy time) cos DD in bed...yeah!!!
Bath at 8.30pm to wake up properly for a full feed at 9pm and put to bed awake to settle no probs with music and wrap under arms (no bath or really, really tired means he will snack instead of have a 'meal' and therefore wake at 3am - he feeds quickly and resettles if this happens though so nothing to complain about).
Sleep through until 5am-6am
He feeds often during the day due to reflux as he has smaller meals more often iykwim. He also clusters to build up ready for long sleep at night. So.....I have been really lucky sleepwise with Dash (maybe not medically though - reflux is tough and people don't always understand when I say "no you can't hold him" after a feed etc.). Bottle feeding probably makes it easier though since he is fuller for longer (sleeping long stretches I mean). Anyway, it is working for us. Sounds like other bubs are finding their way as well.....yeah!! I remember 4 months being the time when DD and other mums in playgroup identified as a tricky time in terms of sleep and keeping routines etc. What do you other experienced mums think or remember??
GTG.....hope you are all enjoying those gorgeous baby smiles and coos.
i was goign to go to sleep school at northpark private hospital in bundoora but the stupid woman i spoke to couldnt give me a straight answer if they gonna continue it,
i rang tweddle and they are based in footscray,however they run settling and sleep day progammes in craigieburn which is like 1 minute from me so they are gonna contact me wednesday,i will ring my private hospital again however tweddle are government funded..
Orange - good stuff with Dash's routine, sounds like you two have it sorted yay!! Caleb has reflux too, we just bought formula thickener today to add to his formula and also got some Losac too to help him, i also give him infants friend to keep the wind issues down. He just gets those blasted hiccups far too many times a day and for far too long!! sometimes for an hour! drives me nuts so cant imagine how he feels poor little man!!! So lets hope we see some improvement with his reflux after all the money we just spent
Right im off to bed, had a late night last night entertaining friends for dinner and didnt realise how exhausting it can be...
Just a quick one today since I had a migraine yesterday and have an unsettled bubba as a result (I think it stuffed my milk supply )
Orange, yep, I think I remember 4 months as being a bit yuk for all the girls in my mum's group. Their teeth all seemed to start moving around - even though most didn't appear for a few months. They also seemed to want to change their routines - whether it was related to their teeth or not we still don't know!
Thought so Dis....only time will tell with lot hey lol!!
Jo I have my fingers crossed. Dash is on Zantac and it is in liquid form so easy to put in his bottle. I have found that the reflux is worse if he has colic as well so Infacol goes in every bottle to try and battle that rattley chest....the combo seems to work. Dash also has Gaviscon in all bottles over 100mL and is on a thickened formula to top it off!!! His reflux is quite bad though. Good luck!!
Any of you been to a Wiggles concert before? Was thinking about taking DD but wasn't sure what to expect in terms of seating, crowds etc. How would I go at handling a nearly 4month old at the concert?? Just that my parents are overseas and no-one to watch Dash.....maybe it is best to wait for the next concert??
Orange, I used to take my niece and nephew to The Wiggles every year. We used to go to the big Christmas one at the Ent Cent so I'm not sure how the seating would work in the local ones they're doing now. I reckon it could be a bit of a struggle with a bub, although by four months they're a bit more alert and can sit up (with support) a bit better. The stress might take all the enjoyment out of it though. Plus, you don't know how loud it's going to be which might hurt Dash's little eardrums.
I took B to Disney On Ice last year and the year before with my niece and nephew. The first time he was only two months old and was quite startled by the noise to start with, but then was quite fascinated by the costumes and movement. Last year he was 9 or 10 months and it was a lot easier. He seemed to really enjoy the first half and then fell asleep. When he was a wee bub I had my mum with me for help, but last year it was just me and the three kids and we did alright
Don't know if that helps you make up your mind!
Us, had a better night last night (shocker on Sunday!) I'm thinking it really was the coffee -poor little mite. He's having major issues with wind right now. Infacol is doing nothing Will only sleep on his tummy, I have to either have him where I can watch him (and make sure he's breathing) or have his movement monitor on. During the night he sleeps okay on his back though which is good otherwise I'd be up all night worrying that he's stopped breathing!
Better do some housework while the boys are asleep. Joy of joys!
Sorry for the quick note,
but my little girl is off to the doctors any moment now - no sleep last night or today and still throwing up and crying and generally very unhappy..... so looks like reflux to me.
I hope something can be worked out - reflux is horrible for all of us.....
I'll send positive vibes your way that you get that BFP real soon. 
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