If it is pre-determined and planned for us then the choices we are making are not our own are they?
Does it matter what choices we make if the end result is pre-determined?
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If it is pre-determined and planned for us then the choices we are making are not our own are they?
Does it matter what choices we make if the end result is pre-determined?
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The debate between free-will and determinism has been raging for thousands of years, and there are many websites devoted to it online. It is a very interesting read!
In summary, yes it is possible for man to have free-will (make decisions of his own free will) and for God to determine what will happen. Lemme know if you want some links. There is a few threads about it in the christian section.
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IMO, i believe that God has given us the tools (the brain) to make the most of what have in life. We can use this life to the bestest and go down God's path or take the worst path and have a real miserable, bad life. Yes, if God has decided that i will die at 63yo, then the way i choose to live that 63 years is in my hands. God will give me tests along the way but will allow me to choose how i handle them. Yes, we all come to crossroads and think "what the hell do i do now, i'm in such a bad rut" but i believe that these are all situations which God has placed us in to test our capabilities.
i really think that if people do blame God when things have gone is a real cop out. There have been many times where i've gotten angry at God for some things, but then when i calm down i try and reason with myself as to how i got in that situation and work out some solution. God has really given us the tools to cope and deal with nearly all situations. What He is capable of is truly amazing.Princess Xanthe - BW I understand feeling like people use it as a cop-out. I think both free will and determinism can co-exists, without man blaming God (hey God, you determined this, so I'm not going to take responsibility for my decisions
Salvation - Allah is very forgiving. I am a muslim and i believe in the Koran, but there are some things which i often question, which does not mean that i am disbeliever. I guess it is not wrong to find out the answers to the questions which you seek. Now, Bron with her wealthy knowledge at which i am truly amazed at is reaping many, many, many good deeds in her favour as she is teaching me and us about Islam. Sharing her knowledge. I believe this would be the same for Christianity too. In a sense, we are spreading the word of God, whether it be for Christianity or Islam or some other religion who believe in God. There is a Turkish saying that it is not wrong/bad to seek the answers to the questions that you have but it is wrong/bad if you do not seek them IYKWIM.
I too love talking about the different religions and sharing the similarities or disimilarities. I am not very knowledgeable about Islam but know a little. I am also awed at some of you such as Candice, who can quote from the Bible.
i believe that Christianity and Islam have very similar teachings. We both share the same the God. There is A God and that if you choose to follow Jesus or Muhammad (pbuh) it is just a path to God.
Geez. I had another question to ask... but i forgot
if you guys have any Q's please ask. The more the merrier..
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I have another question. Well it's not really a question as such...well it is...
I wonder how Adam and Eve knew about DTD? How did they know that "that" goes "there" ????
And what they thought when Eve's bump appeared and when she went into labour and the baby's cord etc...
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It must have been a bitwhen a baby came out. And... no episiotomy, no pain relief... no one to help her how to breastfeed or even to know to put the baby to the boob. Perhaps they relied on instinct? I think it is kinda instinctual to know what to do when it comes to DTD
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I just assume God gave them some kind of instructions about all that.
Genesis 1:
I suppose he elaborated a bit, lol. Or maybe just created them with the knowledge seeing as they were created as adults already, not babies iykwim?28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
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There's the thing... pain in childbirth didn't come until after the fall. I am unclear as to whether children were born before or after the fall, and can't really check at the moment (wiggle worm on lap and bible in the other room)
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Muslims don't belive that pain in childbirth is punishment for Eve's mistakes. Why would all women be punished for the mistake of one? We also reject the concept of original sin.
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How does your creation/fall story differ from the Christian one, brontide?
I was going by Genesis 3:16 -
I guess it does say increase pains in childbearing, not that it was completely pain-free before hand!To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."
I'm not entirely convinced that everything in Genesis is completely chronological - just because Cain and Abel aren't mentioned until chapter 4 and the fall happens in chapter 3, I don't think necessarily means they were born after the fall. I vaguely recall reading something about that, but I've got no idea where to start looking for a definitive answer.
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