Thanks Rach. I will have to do some more study on mutation, my biology is a bit rusty. It does sound to me that what you're talking about, species passing on genes to ensure survival of future generations - is adaptation.
Sorry if we're confusing. Obviously while the facts are the same, theory about the facts is going to be different based on people's different world views (by Jehovah, Berenice means God, if that was part of the confusion).
It's OK Nelle, I get it now, BW's explanation is good. You (I mean that somewhat collectively but not in any way accusingly ) can accept the adaptation bit, but you don't accept that adaptation goes so far as the creation of new species. Sure.
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Hmm, I'm not sure if I would put it that way either....
I believe that God created humans. I believe that God created animals. I believe that, due to imperfection, there are mutations, and there are also adaptations, whether that be from imperfection as well, or whether it was something God 'put' in us after Eden.
But I don't believe that monkeys evolved into humans. This goes back to the Ark thread, about God not necessarily needing 2 of every single species on earth in the Ark - there would only have needed to be 2 of every KIND of animal, not including the ones who wouldn't be adversely affected by the Flood. Then, relying on adapation and mutation and cross breeding, accidental or otherwise, we would get all the animals we have today. Am I making any sense at all? Probably not, its Friday and I can't be bothered any more
And I'm really sorry if I have upset you Rach - I forget that scientists can be just as emotional over scientific theory as I can be over biblical teachings
Just butting in here cos I think it's fascinating.
From what I've read recently, the idea isn't that humans evolved from monkeys or apes, but that we evolved from a common ancestor, we adapted to different environments and different requirements. Given how long ago it was though, it's difficult finding enough evidence (fossils, old stone works etc). It's not too dissimilar to how foxes and wolves evolved from a common ancestor. Now they cannot interbreed, due to the level of mutation, but there is still commonality. I think humans and chimpanzees share about 95% common DNA.
For instance, it's the development of the brain and the opposing thumb that lead humans to become what we are today. Apes have the opposing thumb, but not the brain. Though apparently elephants have a better brain, but not the opposing thumb
Also, something there is scientific proof of is that all human beings are descended from 1 woman who lived in what's now eastern Kenya over 60,000 years ago (they call her Eve). I sent my DNA off once to have my genetic history taken and it showed the root taken by my mitocondrial (sp) DNA - from Africa, to northern Europe (like so many others). Check out this site: https://genographic.nationalgeograph...hic/index.html
I'm in the middle of watching "The Human Journey" which looks at human migration out of Africa. The current theory is that the continents were closer 60,000 years ago and people walked out of Africa, across what is now the Red Sea to the Arabian peninsula and lived for a while in an area caled "Eden". That's as far as I've got, so will be interesting to watch more of it.
Tashybabe, you speak my thoughts exactly. I loved that series!
I was just about to ask people's reaction to the genetic theories about common ancestry dating back to Africa. I think the genetic support for evolutionary theory is quite compelling, by tracing mtDNA.
Okay ladies.... Can we change the topic? I have another question to ask, which i have been meaning to ask for ages, but i thought it might offend people. If you are offended...i am deeply sorry.
Muhammed (PBUH) died of natural causes (old age). Muhammed (M) battled in many holy wars during his life, and all his followers protected him. I just wanted to ask, why didn't Jesus' followers stand up for him and allowed him to be crucified?
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I will have to do some more study on mutation, my biology is a bit rusty. It does sound to me that what you're talking about, species passing on genes to ensure survival of future generations - is adaptation.
) can accept the adaptation bit, but you don't accept that adaptation goes so far as the creation of new species. Sure.
But yes, I am passionate!
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