We've started a similar approach to Trav when DD tantrums - I tell her once that I do not like that noise and she will achieve much more if she speaks to me nicely so she can stop and speak nicely or she can go to her room and close the door because we don't want to hear the noise.

It works really well. We aren't forcing her there as a punishment, like Trav says it is her space so she is comfortable but removed from the situation. She also gets the choice of stopping or going to her room.

As for other discipline - I need a change too. I am getting some real attitude and she completely ignores me a lot of the time. It really frustrates me and I hate being the angry mum. We use the "thinking spot", like a naughty spot but we call it thinking and send her there for thinking time.

It hasn't been working very well. Today she used some bad words in the car so I've taken one of her favourite toys away from her. Initially I said it was until after our music session, dependent on her behaviour. It didn't come back, so I gave her another chance, she got it back but it was soon confiscated again.

See how we go tomorrow.