how do I keep him awake?

[littlelara]

Hi all,
DS is going on 8 weeks and I'm trying to get him into some kind of routine so that he is more likely to sleep at night.
Prob is, he doesn't seem to want to, would happily sleep all day long though, and is still waking 2 hourly at night for feeds. Drives me nuts when I know he can sleep for chunks of time and does so during the day.
I just want to reverse it, I guess. I have a 2 year old as well, so sleeping when he does isn't an option this time around.
I'm at least trying to make sure he gets feeds during the day, but then he just wants to go back to sleep again.
Any ideas? Or do I just assume he will figure it out for himself?
All contributions gratefully received

[Charlyfrog]

Even if its only for five minutes at a time, you could do things like baths, have your little one propped up in your lap and read a book, play time with a rattle on the floor/playmat etc. Even if my DD snoozed whilst feeding, I'd still work at those five minutes and eventually she stretched her awake time as she became more alert. Your little one is still quite young so still needs alot of sleep but by doing this during the day after every feed then for the late night feed make it entirely different ie lights low, very quiet, straight to bed after the feed, hopefully after a week or so (?) you might find that he'll have his nights and days around the right way. It just sounds like he has them mixed up.

I put DD into a routine as well by only letting her go so long between feeds and then keeping that consistent during the day (ie 3 - 4hourly) unless of course she woke hungry earlier than that and I just adjusted accordingly. But like I said, this is what worked for us but hth a little?

[~Trish~]

Sounds like you have a sleepy bub on your hands! A good way to get your bub into a good day/night routine is to do a feed/play/sleep cycle during the day and then just let her sleep as long as she wants o'night. It takes a while for them to get used to staying awake during the day. I used to put my DS straight on his playmat after a feed, if he was asleep he would soon wake up being on the floor. Sometimes I would bath him just to keep him awake. Your bub can probably only handle up to 45 minutes of wake time (including feed time) at this age so be careful not to over do it either!

If you keep persisting it won't take long for her to work it out. Good luck

[*Efjay*]

Something to keep in mind is trying to make your baby stay awake longer during the day may actually result in a overtired baby. Overtired babies don't actually sleep better.
For me I have always considered a 4 hours stretch (at that age) at night "sleeping through" . I know (believe me, I know!) how frustrating it can be to have little sleep happening at night & a frequently waking baby.
Can i ask, are you breastfeeding? I found just going with the flow was less stressful then trying to enforce a routine. Sorry to offend anyone here but I don't actually agree with the feed/play/sleep routine. I never found I had any luck with it with my first baby & that trying to stick to it just made my life that much more stressful as my baby didn't like it either. Its one of those things as with all things parenting, you have to take it all on board & do what works for you & your family.
But back to breastfeeding, reason I ask is their is a chemical/hormone in BM that actually helps make the baby sleepy, it has the same effect on Mum too. the idea is that it helps you & bub get back to sleep after feeds.
The other thing with feeds, This would apply for FFing as well I would imagine. Keep your night feeds very quite & subtle. Keep any lights needed low key. A red or Blue light bulb can help give you enough light to work with but keep things dim enough not to make baby thing "Hey lets play!"
Also, have a think about things that may be causing your bub to wake. Is he waking because he is ready for another feed?? Is it because he is cold, or too hot?, could their be a noise waking him, or maybe is it too quite? Maybe a white noise could help. Even a small fan turned on in the room can help (of course during winter don't have it pointing towards him, just stick it in the corner facing the wall). You can even buy "white noise" CDs. Is he in your room? if not, try sleeping in his room for the night to just see if there is anything you notice that could be waking him.
Another thing you may like to try if you are breastfeeding is say he has a feed & goes down for the night at 6pm, has another feed at 8/9ish. When you head to bed, put him on the boob again, even if it was only half an hour ago he fed. Just see if he will take that little bit extra & maybe sleep a little longer so you at least get a little longer of a stretch before needing to wake again. It use to bug the crap out of me that I would go to bed around 10pm only to wake again just as I was getting into a good sleep at 11pm. Once I threw that extra feed in I was getting a better block of sleep because bub was getting it a little earlier & making through a little longer. So I would go to bed at 10, once bub was fed & nappy changed if needed I would be settling in by 10.30ish & getting a good go till about 2 - 2.30 am.

Anyway, I hope that something in there might have been helpful.

[Catastrophic]

the best advice i could properly let out would be to do what ever works. With me and Izzy, I Used to talk to her or read her whilst she is breastfeeding during the day (9timesout of 10) she was fast asleep. But at night time, i didn't talk, just said hello (low hush voice) kept all the lights low . . . This seem to help heaps with me, hope you get some rest shortly!

I don't agree with the feed play sleep intil they are older.

[littlelara]

Hi all, thank you so much for getting back to me, you've really helped put things into perspective.
That said, I would kill for a 4 hour stretch at night - the best he's managed is 3, and then back to 2 again. At least that means he can do it, hey? Light at the end of the tunnel and all that
Charlyfrog, I'm taking your advice and making sure we have a little play, so at least he's not feeding and going straight back to sleep.
J can stay awake for a couple of hours some mornings, so I guess I forgot that might not be the best thing or something to expect from him just yet.
FJ, thanks for your reply; yes he is bfing, and seems to settle ok after a few grunts at night once he's fed, but sometimes I wonder whether it is hunger waking him or just needing to fart, cos that's the outcome sometimes just as I'm coming to get him. At that point I figure I'm awake, may as well feed. Maybe i should just leave him that bit longer and see what happens?
Sneaking in an extra feed doesn't seem to make much difference, he's still becoming restless 2 hours later.
As I said, maybe I'm misreading his signs. Or maybe this is just how it is going to be for now.
Either way, I feel better - thanks!