Before you or your family get the gardasil vaccination...

[RockinSAHD]

Your right about the education. I genuinely hope our DDs can be sensible and reasoned when they grow up!

[BellyBelly]

I think you only have to read the interviews that lead Gardasil scientist, Diane Harper, has had, to see some very telling information. I am pretty sure I have posted them in here somewhere. One comment included: 'No-one ever got harmed from having safe sex' [on the safety of gardasil] or something to that effect.... not to mention the rest.

[RockinSAHD]

I think you only have to read the interviews that lead Gardasil scientist, Diane Harper, has had, to see some very telling information. I am pretty sure I have posted them in here somewhere. One comment included: 'No-one ever got harmed from having safe sex' [on the safety of gardasil] or something to that effect.... not to mention the rest.

Your right, people should only ever have safe sex and carefully planned families! Especially teenagers!

It would save a lot more lives than cervical cancer takes and save many many more tears!

I love the perfect world you ladies live in, I want to live there, seriously, it sounds fantastic. I dearly wish my family (and work) lived in that world! I intend absolutely no sarcasm in this post and I'm deadly serious, I would give almost anything!

[BellyBelly]

Well the fact that they have found HPV in children and others who have not been sexually active.... even those who have posted that they have only had one or two partners and still have HPV... this is never going to be a failproof solution anyway, and I would rather not risk my life having a vaccine where more than one or two women have died.

[loulabelle]

Well the fact that they have found HPV in children and others who have not been sexually active.... even those who have posted that they have only had one or two partners and still have HPV... this is never going to be a failproof solution anyway, and I would rather not risk my life having a vaccine where more than one or two women have died.

Exactly. Rockin, you quoted me but didn't answer the question.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk so forgive spelling mistakes

[RockinSAHD]

Well the fact that they have found HPV in children and others who have not been sexually active.... even those who have posted that they have only had one or two partners and still have HPV... this is never going to be a failproof solution anyway, and I would rather not risk my life having a vaccine where more than one or two women have died.

I'm not sure what your saying, are you telling me that HPV isn't involved in cervical cancer or that vaccines don't protect against virses? If your telling me that people can get HPV without even being sexually active then wouldn't that make the vaccine more important?

There were 4,210 deaths from cervical cancer in the US for 2010 and (research suggests) that vaccination can reduce that number by 70%. How many unproven (but properly investigated, no coverups for a New Zealand coroner) deaths from the vaccination were there in that time?

[RockinSAHD]

Exactly. Rockin, you quoted me but didn't answer the question.

Then I don't think I understood the question. If you don't have HPV then the vaccine can protect you (if your sensibility can't) if you do have HPV and you don't die then either your naturally immune or you get the vaccine and become immune...

Whether you can get HPV without having sex is only important to how young people (men and women, men die too) are vaccinated.

Is that what you mean?

[PumpkinZulu]

Uhhh, just gotta add...the number of deaths from cervical cancer could be dramatically reduced with more consistent pap smears. Much (not all) of the cervical cancer that leads to death does so because it was picked up too late and at its final stages. More regular pap smears would reduce the number of fatalities in a noticeable way. How do you achieve more regular pap smears? Because it's no secret amongst women that many are putting them off, because they feel uncomfortable, because they don't like them or they are to busy, among other reasons. Education, once again. Not saying that it would solve everything! But more women having regular pap smears equals more cancer or abnormalities being picked up at earlier stages and treated.

[RockinSAHD]

Uhhh, just gotta add...the number of deaths from cervical cancer could be dramatically reduced with more consistent pap smears. Much (not all) of the cervical cancer that leads to death does so because it was picked up too late and at its final stages. More regular pap smears would reduce the number of fatalities in a noticeable way. How do you achieve more regular pap smears? Because it's no secret amongst women that many are putting them off, because they feel uncomfortable, because they don't like them or they are to busy, among other reasons. Education, once again. Not saying that it would solve everything! But more women having regular pap smears equals more cancer or abnormalities being picked up at earlier stages and treated.

You won't find argument with me, there are many checkups and self checks (for men and women) that could save many lives and safe sex is so very important.

What are you going to do to get everyone to do this all the time? If you have a secret formula Ill come and work for you, for free, and we can change the world together. (I'm a nurse and I firmly believe in health promotion and keeping people healthy and out of hospitals!)

[PumpkinZulu]

Unfortunately I don't feel there is much I *can* do. I'm just some chick with an opinion. I'd love to see the government spend more of it's $$ on better education in those areas, more advertising and awareness for getting checkups, rather than promoting the vaccine as the first point of call.

[RockinSAHD]

Unfortunately I don't feel there is much I *can* do. I'm just some chick with an opinion. I'd love to see the government spend more of it's $$ on better education in those areas, more advertising and awareness for getting checkups, rather than promoting the vaccine as the first point of call.

Me too! Unfortunately quick decisive action like immunisations win elections, grant money and peoples imaginations. Once again its that perfect world. Vaccines are an imperfect tool for an imperfect world but they save lives!

[PumpkinZulu]

No doubt! But for *this* particular vaccine...I truly believe education and prevention would save more lives than the vaccine itself. Being such a 'new' vaccine, I think the jury is still way out on how many lives it will actually 'save', in definite terms.

[RockinSAHD]

No doubt! But for *this* particular vaccine...I truly believe education and prevention would save more lives than the vaccine itself. Being such a 'new' vaccine, I think the jury is still way out on how many lives it will actually 'save', in definite terms.

Because it's my style here is a randomised double blind trial for HPV vaccines:
Efficacy of human papillomavirus (HPV)-16/18 AS04-... [Lancet. 2009] - PubMed result

It shows that HPV vaccination reduces pre-cancerous legions by more than 98%. Sounds like a good start, don't you think?

[PumpkinZulu]

It does sound like a good start. I guess sound being the operative word. I still find a study done 2 years ago a little 'new' for my liking, I think a truer indication of the vaccines success (or otherwise) will be better shown as more time passes, and more people who have received the vaccine get older.

[RockinSAHD]

It does sound like a good start. I guess sound being the operative word. I still find a study done 2 years ago a little 'new' for my liking, I think a truer indication of the vaccines success (or otherwise) will be better shown as more time passes, and more people who have received the vaccine get older.

That's a fair cop, but unlike other diseases that can come on quickly cervical cancer takes time. Pap smears preventing cancer work on the principle of finding and removing pre-cancerous legions, if the vaccine can prevent most of the pre-cancerous legions from ever being there in the first place then that's an improvement. Don't forget that having lumps cut out of your cervix can cause other big problems of itself...

[PumpkinZulu]

That's a fair cop, but unlike other diseases that can come on quickly cervical cancer takes time. Pap smears preventing cancer work on the principle of finding and removing pre-cancerous legions, if the vaccine can prevent most of the pre-cancerous legions from ever being there in the first place then that's an improvement. Don't forget that having lumps cut out of your cervix can cause other big problems of itself...

For sure...but I do stand by what I said. I would still not consider the vaccine 'proven' or 'safe' (for me at least) until it has stood the teat of time, and all the effects have been seen and noted.

[PumpkinZulu]

Uh...the TEST of time, even. Teat. Lol.

Also, I'm pretty well versed in the ramifications of having ones cervix messed with; after a miscarriage I had a d&c which caused scarring and contributed to a range of serious fertility issues. So cutting out cancer is not something I'd take lightly...but neither is this particular vaccine.

[RockinSAHD]

That's fair too, and it deserves a careful trial lasting 20 years and a equally careful rollout with an awareness campaign.

Never mind the potential 5 million women dead in that 20 years...