thread: "I think sometimes ignorance is bliss"

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  1. #1
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    Teagz, I fully understand what you are saying and it's true - no one else does have the right to tell you what to do or dictate your choice, but you're not being completely ignorant about how you want to birth are you? You've decided that you want to do whatever it takes to get your babe out alive and I"m sure you know what your options are for that dont you? But to be completely ignorant isn't good at all - you cannot make the best decision for your health or the health of your baby if you do not know what choices you have to begin with - or that if you knew that you could say no to something or that you don't need a forceps/vacuum birth if only you could have just a little more time. It is no ones best interests to have complete blind faith in the medical system these days for anything, not just birth.

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    Teagz, I fully understand what you are saying and it's true - no one else does have the right to tell you what to do or dictate your choice, but you're not being completely ignorant about how you want to birth are you? You've decided that you want to do whatever it takes to get your babe out alive and I"m sure you know what your options are for that dont you? But to be completely ignorant isn't good at all - you cannot make the best decision for your health or the health of your baby if you do not know what choices you have to begin with - or that if you knew that you could say no to something or that you don't need a forceps/vacuum birth if only you could have just a little more time. It is no ones best interests to have complete blind faith in the medical system these days for anything, not just birth.
    Agreed.

    And on a different note... where can I get a copy of this DVD? I wouldn't mind having a squiz

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    I know this feeling REALLY well lol As some of our longest serving mods will know, as I was doing my Birth Attendant/Doula course BB really changed and we had alot of resistance - people kicked up a stink, left, hated what BB had become. But it's now been 6.5 years and look how far we've come. BB members attending rallies at parliament, loads using doulas, more having homebirths - it's incredible. BB has become a powerhouse of informed and educated women, and I have learnt that you need to take it one day at a time, slowly slowly, and change does come. As more and more find out this info, the word spreads faster. The best thing you can do is to get involved as much as you can, keep positive and you will make massive change in people's lives and it's the blooming best feeling in the world for me

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    I kind of agree with what's been said in some of the last posts... I'm as passionate as the next person about being educated and informed and choosing your own path, but I try not to push it with people who aren't interested. I make a few hints about being informed and if they ask, I'm happy to help. If they know I'm here to offer advice and choose not to take it, then I wish them well and leave it alone. Sure, it might bug me to see everybody I know saying, 'Oh I'm gonna get an epidural as soon as possible and ramp up the pain relief' or 'I want to be induced at 38 weeks, I'm soooo sick of being pregnant already' or 'I'm going to ask for a c-sec because I'm scared of the pain of being in labour' etc... but all I can do is say, 'I'd be glad to point you in the direction of some information that might help you with those decisions and help you weigh up the risks of various choices' and let them come to me if they feel they want to be educated.

    I'm another person who kind of thinks ignorance *is* bliss - I read up on what my options were, but I didn't want to watch birthing videos or any of that kind of business. Watching videos wasn't going to help prepare me for my individual situation, I preferred just to say to myself, 'Yes, it's gonna hurt like hell but it doesn't stop women going back for more babies so it can't be all that bad - if everyone else can do it, you certainly can!' and left it at that. After seeing birthing videos after giving birth, I'm glad I didn't do it before - it was awful. Gory. Uncomfortable to watch. I'm so glad I didn't have those pictures in my head while I was labouring!

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    Jan 2005
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    I heard so many horror stories I wanted to be the one to avoid it, not stick my head in the sand.

    I agree with you somewhat Glamour - we we shown a birth video at ante natal classes and it was awful - forceps, the baby seemed pulled out quite violently and I cried all the way home from the class.
    I don't know why they couldn't have shown something more peaceful and positive....

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    all I can do is say, 'I'd be glad to point you in the direction of some information that might help you with those decisions and help you weigh up the risks of various choices' and let them come to me if they feel they want to be educated.
    Glamour I think that is the approach I am going to take (I tend not to be a pushy person so I think I have fallen into that by default).

    her Dr may even be more open minded than you think. They're not all out to cut you open and rip you the shreads.
    Teagz, I think my OB was one of these. Like I said in my OP I actually think my OB did pretty well given his profession's usual stance on birthing (I am thinking about sending him a belated thankyou card, actually!)

    unless you created the bump, I don't think anyone else has the right to tell you how to birth or dictate your choice you make regarding your care.
    I agree with this too, and I think that is what Kelly is getting at when she said she knows the feeling. It can be hard to stand by and watch women "choosing" a medicalised (or potentially medicalised) birth when in reality they are following the dictates of insurance companies.

    Kelly I have been a member of the BB community for (I think) nearly 4 years now and I am so glad it is the way it is

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    Oct 2005
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    Rory like Kelly I too know this feeling well. It is frustrating & a little heartbreaking to me when I see a Woman embarking on the journey of birth and not making informed choice. Independent investigation of the truth is imperative to good decision making.

    I see women investigate a mortgage with more time investment than I do their investment in bringing their child into the world. That disturbs me deeply...

    Becoming a Mother begins at conception & how a baby is birthed and how the Mother feels, responds, interacts and makes decisions around this huge event set the scene for how she parents.

    That is one of the big reasons I am all for informed decision making.

    Teagz I understand that birthing a baby after the loss of a baby leads us to different decisions. However, I believe your decision are informed.

    I think from what Rory has said that this person is handing over her body and saying La la la I don't wanna know! That to me is a recipe for difficulty.

    I would leave the dvd with a card and say: "I wish someone had shown me this when I was preparing for my first birth"...

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    Great suggestion about the DVD and note, I would agree with that too You can only try - some people are much more responsive with no pressure.
    Kelly xx

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    Feb 2007
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    yep the dvd and card would def be as far as i would go with it... she can come to you if she wants to talk about it. personally i wouldnt do this in the workplace after i had broached it and she rejected myoffer of info butIF I was to do go further this would be agood approach