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Does this sound right?????
This may be better off in the VBAC thread, but i do have questions for just normal labour too.. so not sure exactly where to post this......
I have a friend who is in 38+4 days by her dr's dates, and 39+5 by her dates. She has been in and out of hospital for the last 7 weeks with on and off contractions and labour pains. Also her blood pressure has been up and she has been on meds for that and meds ot try and stop the contractions and steroids for the baby. Over all this time she has only dialated to 4cms, but she is in alot of pain, and now she is bleeding heavily.
Also a bit of backround, this is her second bub, she had her little girl at 28 weeks as she had a ginormous tumour growing out her bum. My friend needed a csection for this baby coz there was no way bubs and the tumour (which was bigger than bubs) was going to successfully come out naturally. SHe also had the long cut down the centre of her belly, not the little cut along the bikini/undies line. Bubs is doing fine now, she is great actually, tumour was removed and she is a terrific little girl!!
Now early in her pregnancy she did say she was "open" to VBAC, and good on her. But after nearly two months of on and off labour and pain, and now bleeding she has asked them to please just go ahead with a csection, and now apparently they are refusing her that choice. Or at least until she get's to 40 weeks by her Dr's dates.
My question is is the RIGHT?????? Surely bleeding heavily and being in a lot of pain are signals for maybe doing something abit earlier??? I am just curious if anyone bleed heavily during labour (she said she is filling a pad in an hour, if not quicker) or in pre labour that went on for more than a few days (she only started bleeding yesterday) The dr's are telling her that its just her plug and not to worry, but she is worried, and i am worried for her!! Could it be that her waters have broken????
They have been keeping an eye on bubs and he is going ok, his heart rate isnt getting too high or low and there is still good fluid there, but they want to send her home with panadene forte and let her "wait it out", which is what she has been doing for the last two months!!!!!!
Now i know that in most cases things are best to progress on their own and that this could all be ver normal, but as someone who hasnt had a full on labour, it just doesnt sound right to me to be bleeding heavily. And its not a thread i have some across of anyone mentioning bleeding heavily.
Also my friend is very young, she is only 19 and i just get the feeling that they think she is exagerating her pain (even though she did experience labour with her first bubs, who actually got as far as her head poking out before the drs beleived she was in labour- same hospital)
Is it just me being over protective of my friend and scared for her that something will happen to her lil baby if they dont do something, or does this all sound not right???????
TIA
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What hospital is this??
That is total neglegence on their behalf. Bleeding most certainly is not normal during labour. And not as much as she is bleeding. I would be getting a second opinion if i was her. I really hope she and the baby are ok and will be ok. If she is in pain they need to do something not send her on her way!
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Wow that sounds so wrong! Especially the bleeding. If it were me i'd go to a different hospital. Or just turn up at A&E. It sounds really serious.
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Yeah thats what i have told her to do. I am pretty sure i cant mention names LMS.. but you know the hospital we went to.. well its not that one. But thats where i have told her to go.
I'm glad its not just me, i didnt think bleeding was normal by any standards.
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I hope the dr's take her seriously at the new hospital. I have never had a labour, but that amount of blood does not sound right in labour or otherwise.
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Hmmm... she should definitely go to another hospital.
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Can she front up at another hospital or get a 2nd opinion somewhere? I hope she and baby are ok
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I agree that that amount of blood is definitely not right.
Also, even though way back 50 years ago my own GM had a VBAC after a classic Csect (vertical scar) I didnt think there was any way a hospital would let someone Vbac these days after one! (not that I think theres anything wrong with doing it, just that the incidence of rupture is higher, but I dont know actual stats....?)
Just sounds a bit strange to me...
From what you've described it does sound as though they are not taking her seriously, good o you for being a great friend and being there for her, I think going to the ER is some great advice there!
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Filling a pad an hour with blood is HUGELY concerning, and if it were me I'd be demanding a c-section ASAP. She's technically fullterm by anyones dates so bub should be fine. I'm shocked the hospital hasn't done anything, she NEEDS a second opinion.
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Yep i have told her to leave and go to the other hospital in town. She is apparently at the "best hospital" for high risk, so she thought maybe there was no point going to the smaller hospital, but i seriously think a 2nd opinion is needed. I will let you know how she goes!
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She definitely has a higher risk of a uterine rupture with a classical scar. And bleeding heavily is a sign that a rupture could be happening. even for normal VBAC women these days .2 of women who go for a repeat c/s have an asymptomatic rupture when they have a scheduled c/s. Which isn't very high but the point is that you don't have to be in "labour" for a rupture to occur as nearly half occur prior to labour. I think if you go to the ER they will send you straight to the labour ward because that is the policy in most Australian hospitals once a pregnancy is past 20 weeks. You can try staying at the same hospital and asking for the consultant and stating that you refuse to leave unless you see the consultant in charge or simply go to a different hospital as you are allowed to seek care in any hospital in Australia(public) They cannot refuse you care.
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Yes definitely go to another hospital for another opinion, the poor girl, I know this may sound a bit gross but would it be worth her taking some of the pads in, to prove the amount of bleeding.
My heart goes out to her
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Oh I'm so sorry to hear of your friends situation... does she have a "bossy" mother or older person who can go and stand up for her... I can't believe they'd let her go home!!!
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Beema, maybe gross, but probably not a bad idea!! She is home at the moment, i have linked her to this thread so she can have a read, and i am trying to get her to at least call the other hospital!!!
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that does not sound right at all!!!
Can you go with her to the hospital?? I cannot believe that she is losing that much blood and they aren't doing anything!!! I'd shove the pad in their faces and say "that is not a plug you douchebag" LOL..
Please keep us updated!! Praying her and bubs are ok!!!
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I need the :yeahthat: man. So wrong! Tell her to go to emergency!
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omg I agree, that doesn't sound right at all. I hope her and bub are ok.
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It does sound very odd. There have been a lot of recent calls to stop scheduling caesareans for non emergency situations before 39 weeks, due to the extra trouble babies have breathing for lack of those few extra days in the womb. It may be that your friend's doctor has weighed up the pros and cons of waiting a few days, and decided that the extra risk of her giving birth now (to her child) is not worth it considering the baby is currently coping well.
However if she is concerned about the bleeding then she needs to ask for a 2nd opinion. She can ask for one from within the hospital, wait until another doctor comes on shift for example. I like Mrs Bexie's idea of keeping the pads (although not shoving it in their faces because ewwww) but this will demonstrate exactly what her loss is and they can discuss with her what levels they are happy with before they would consider it to be a bleed and not a show.
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