When I say rub dont talk - I mean that the bruise from the rubbing was larger than the bruise from the epidural. It couldn't have been hard enough. RUB RUB RUB!!!!!!

And like Lucy - I was labouring in the shower for about an hour with the hot water on my back - just in the right place.

I dont think a man could go wrong from hard massage. A bit like the saying - no man ever got shot by his wife while washing the dishes......