Great weight loss there PZ

I understand his point. We have the 1MKC plans and the Weigh it up ones, plus the CSIRO books. I did not really join for the meal plans, more for the mindset stuff and exercise along with the social support that comes from doing a program that others are doing.
Probably better he found out from me, than working out himself that it cost money

I do admit though I think the 12WBT plans a bit better than the 1MKC ones, except that are not as seasonal as they need to be (a recipe this week called for 2 cups of fresh basil, it is not basil season!!)