Thank you Wouldluvabubba, I appreciate your calm response and answering the question I asked.

My condolences on how you were treated on the occasion you describe and hope that subsequent expeirences have been far more positive on every level.

The lack of compassion we've been shown is an astounding feature and as you write, your description of being humiliated is common in our experience when there is something that doesn't suit the provider, they get angry and defensive; I'm sorry to hear it happened in your case.

And I agree too on your comment on having to suggest protocols to providers, totally unsatisfactory but I contend that a huge and required change in health care in general is that patients need to shift their thinking from the doctors knows the answers, to we all need to be incredibly aware of the technical details and treatment options that exist and to challenge providers assertions when their answeres don't ring true to your gut feeling and informed knowledge.

This is all too serious to simply trust others implicitly. You have to trust the pilot to fly the plane but in this field it's simply not the case.

And why sceptical for me? As well as our IVF experience, I nearly died as a child from a GP's disasterous mis-diagnosis and so did my father. For months he complained of stomach pains, GP said it was a posture problem, only when my mother smelled the stink on his breath of rotting food in his stomach did she put an end to this posture crap and get him to a specialist and after 6 feet of cancerous bowel was removed, did he JUST survive.

I say this ......

Follow your instincts, if something doesn't metaphorically smell right, it probably isn't.

And that knowledge is power.

I sincerely hope your journey is a successful one.