Cuddlepie - hey there. So that is what a "PUPO" is. I like it I have been eating slices of fresh pineapple (at room temperature - as I have heard in Chinese med they recommend no cold foods). But I do not know how much to have! Any suggestions? Please feel free to send any other tips my way. Desperate to implant!!!
WTH - Oh yay yay ,yay!!! I figured you must have had a full day given we hadn't seen you pop in.
Guess the IVF itself was worthwhile just to "weed" out that one good embie. The PGD just tops it off so you have confirmation of a hopefully "normal" embie. I am crossing everything that you little one is doing its job and nestling in there.
I am on E2 patches purely because my lining is often quite poor. I have been on Progynova (oral E2) in previous cycles but didn't seem to make huge difference so trialling patches for the first time.
Was really to early to tell much at Firday's scan but hoping it is doing the trick!
Sara - glad your first FSH dose went ok. It does get much easier once you've used the pen a few times. E2 is oestrogen.
31 follies may sound a lot but is not unsual for me to have a lot just "hanging" around so to speak.
Even on my IUI cycles I would often have 16-20 total number of follies but only 1-3 that became mature.
Really have no idea how many will go on to develop
CP - here's hoping AF is here soon so ou can start jabbing with us!
Me - just plodding on, having to keep a chart of all my meds to make sure I do them ALL each day.
Feeling a bit "off" and headachey but goodness knows which drug is the culprit!!
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Hey Meredith, just checked your album, Logan is such a beautiful boy! What a picture perfect family! You are one lucky woman, well, I am sure No.2 will join you soon hun!
Night night everyone! I will be dreaming me bleeding! hehe...
Hi Cuddlepie, hope AF is not too far away, would be nice if you could join Meredith and me with the FSH. Thanks for the tip with the juicer, made some juice this morning .
I am wondering about how long to rest after EPU and hopefully ET. SIVF says the day of the EPU is enough and no rest is needed after ET. Have heard in other places that you should rest the day after EPU as well and between one and two days for ET?
My last night dream came true, wake up with AF is here.... but it knocked me off for half day, with the weather, I have been just lazy in bed....So will start FSH on Monday and b/t on Wednesday, finally I am on my way.
Also checked out the FSH needles, they did changed them to smaller ones, exact the same size as Lucrin's... you are lucky Sara....
About rest time after EPU, I usually have EPU in the morning and have that day off, pretty much in bed/couch to take it easy. I had the luxury in the last two stim cycles that don't have to go to work in the next few days. So this time, I plan to take the next day off after EPU just to recover and be in the best form for FET. Physically I don't think its too bad, I am pretty much back to normal on the same day (with a bit pain relief tablets...) FET is really a breeze after EPU, apart from some uncomfortableness during the procedure, you are pretty much back on your feet straight away. But again, if work is not too strict, I would take a day off just to take it easy. Given the effort we have put in, two days off work in the grand scheme of things seems just worth it.
God, we are now starting talking about EPU...as this is the first time with the new FS, I am getting a bit nervous too...
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CP - yay to AF for once and hopefully last time in awhile!! Hoping this is the lucky Month for all of us!! I get the nerves... mine are frayed already and I am not even close to halfway!
Thanks re your comments about our pics - can't even remember how old they all are! Logan is my little ray of sunshine amongst all the heartache of the last few yrs and yes, I realise I AM very lucky. Just wish he didn't have to see such sadness so early in his life. Pretty sad really when your under 2yr old knows all about needles, blood taking, scans etc. he often reminds me by pulling up my top and saying "mummy have needle" !!
Sara - Hope all is going well and the FSH is getting easier
WTH - hope you are still resting up and letting that embie get settled
Starting to feel the effects of all the meds today. Ovaries are aching, feeling generally "off".
Scan tomorrow morning so hoping have a few follies moving along as they sould be
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Meredith - glad to hear the stims are kicking in. Good luck with your next scan. Looking forward to hearing how they are doing
Cuddlepie - hooray for visionary dream and AF. Interestingly, the Provera delayed my AF, too (in my first cycle which was down reg). Because of the local protocol, that mean't I had to take lucrin an extra week before starting the FSH. Glad you are up and on your way today
Sara - I was one of those 1 in 20 people SIVF talk about in their brochure who experience "sharp pain" at EPU. I could not walk for a couple of hours after. TMI - it actually made me very gassy and constipated! That is what was making it hard for me to walk! After the drive back I spent the rest of the late afternoon in bed and then kicked back on the couch that evening. The day after transfer I was a little drained and we were waiting all day for my fertilisation results so we just took it easy at home. Then I was right as rain.
AFM - had lots of twangs and cramping on Sat (Day 7) which is normal in the scheme of things. Had a stressful morning on Sunday and am worried it may have hindered implantation so feeling a bit negative today. Really over worrying all the time!
WTH, I hope the little one is snuggled in over the weekend, maybe that's why you feel a bit crampy? A stressful morning wouldn't prevent the implantation, so don't worry hun...but I can understand now all the 'analysing symptoms begin'...I thought one point you mentioned about 'not to eat cold things' the other day is quite a good reminder for me. I heard from my Chinese Doc too that they say its better to keep your womb warm during the period of implantation and early stage of pregnancy. While the weather is getting warmer, I'd better not to drink too much icy cold drinks.
Meredith, how adorable is Logan to pull up your top saying 'mummy has needles'...good luck with today's scan, how many days you are on FSH for?
AFM, DH did very first FSH for me this morning, god bless him, he is so good. Basically painless, the needle is getting so much better than last time I used them...so all good on my end...
WTH - can understand that you're concerned about your stressful Sunday morning but hopefully the little one hasn't been disturbed by this it soudns like you're doing everythign you can to make it most comfortable. Thanks for yoru tips about EPU.
Meredith - hope you're going well. Good luck for scan tomorrow.
Cuddlepie: yah - great that AF has arrived - I am sure it will be the last time for a very long time. Thanks for telling me abotu EPU. Good luck with the FSH. When is your first BT?
AFM - Just got the call from the clinic about my BT - aparently my Estrogen hasn't moved (below 100), they are not concerned about it and say I should still stay on 262.5 which is the dosage I am taking, another BT and ultrasound on Wednesday. Would be thankful for advice if anyone has experience with this, is it true that I shouldn't be concerned?
Sara - in my first cycle I was started on 200 puregon. After 4 nights of FSH my estrogen was 126. The clinic said my might be a slow starter, explaining some women fire up later. However my FS did increase the dose then to 300. Unfortunately that was not quite enough for my eggies that cycle. If you are only a couple of days in do you think you could chat to your FS about increasing the dose? Many women wrote to me in my first cycle and told me that such a strategy worked for them. It is just a suggestion. I am sure your clinic know what they are doing. Good luck, hon"
Cuddlepie - I only got the cramps the day after transfer. Nothing since... Had one PG lady write to me and tell me she only had them the day after and then nothing for a while. I just want to feel like I gave this everything I have. I was so hormonal yesterday morning (I could feel my blood boiling) and over-reacted and felt so cranky. I can only wait and see, but if this does not work I know I will blame myself for being so OTT. Wish I had some symptoms to analyse...
Thank you WTH - that makes me a bit uneasy now, I've only had three nights of Puregon but the dosage is 262.5 - on what dosage did you start your last cycle?
The nurse said she has talked to my doctor and the FS said I should stay on the same dosage so don't think it makes sense for me to talk to her again, really hope things will move and the picture will change for Wednesday's ultrasound and BT.
Sara Like I said - you may be a late starter - really common. I did not want to worry you. It is only three days in and your E2 would have been very low (like single figures) after down regging. That's why it can take a while to "fire up". In my uneducated opinion, I think the ultrasound will be more telling than the early E2 level. If you have lots of nice follies they may let you "cook" for a bit longer. BTW the next cycle I was put on 375 units. Good luck with your ultrasound - thinking of you tomorrow
I just found out that my recent miscarriage was due to trisomy 15 (extra 15 chromosome - I'm just learning these terms). My dr said it was very unlikely to happen again and is most likely age related. However, I've just re-visiting some of these posts and am now wondering if I should insist on genetic testing for me and DH. Given my age, I feel like we cannot afford to lose time - I don't want to have to go through 2 more m/c before they offer the tests. What I'm thinking is that we aren't at the stage where we'd necessarily need PGD but perhaps we should have ourselves looked at and then make the decision about PGD.
Hi Buliej - If you are going to do IVF, it only costs a little more (in the scheme of things) to do PGD. I have had three losses - all naturally conceived, of which two were trisomies. I was told it was age-related. If you already are going through the rollercoaster and expense of IVF, having some testing could be very reassuring. I think IVF with PGD should be explained and offered to all of us "mature age" women before doing standard IVF. Just my two cents, but I have been through too much and am amazed that not more people do PGD
HI ladies Couldn't get in here yesterday so trying to catch up today.
WTH - You and I could be sisters .... I TOTALLY understand the overanalysing every little detail, twinge etc. As an outsider, its very easy for me to say that your little embie is not going to be bothered at all by yesterday's melt down but I know how you ust feel. Less than a week until testing and you KNOW you have a great embie in there. YOu can't have done anymore.
CP - Woohoo at starting FSH. What dose are you on? Let the real rollercoatser begin.
Sara - don't stress to much about E2 levels especially after only 3 days. I am on 200 iu of puregon.Had my first BT after 2 days and my E2 was 384 BUT I am also on supplemental oestrogen patches so who knows how much of that rise was just the patch. I am also on antagonist cycle so no down reg and things move a touch quicker. Hopefully things are looking better tomorrow
Buliej - I am sorry about your T15 result although at least you have an answer and know that baby could never have survived. WTH and I have bost lost babies to trisomy 15 ( so much for it being rare!!). I must admit, I am with WTH on the whole PGD scenario. I have lost 6 babies to m/c. Only one has been confirmed with genetic fault (T15), however, afer so much heartache, we elected to use everything medically available to prevent another loss. I also think if you re going through IVF anyway, adding PGD is not a huge leap ( an extra $2100 at my clinic). You certainly may not NEED PGD to get a healthy baby but at least you might increase your odds of getting there sooner. Just my personal thoughts that really stem from to much grief and pain. I think you should at least talk to your FS about it so you can make up yor own mind.
AFM - scan yesterday. things still moving along but a way to go yet. Now have a total of 40 follies (eeek!) but majority of those are small and unlikely to yield anything. Largest were at 11, 12mm.
E2 had leapt to 3000 which is great for me. Starting orgalutran (antagonist) tonight and another scan Thurs. Still not sure when EPU will be but thinking maybe Mon? Had acupuncture yesterday too and seems to have helped with some of the side effects.
What you both are saying makes sense and we will discuss with FS. A few questions up front - the max number of good embryos that we've had from a cycle is 3. Is it correct that in order to do PGD, that they'd all have to let them grow to blast...and then, they'd have to "survive" the PGD? do embryos often not survive the PGD?
I'm also worried about the numbers surviving to blasts as my clinic typically won't go to blast with only 3...but then again, it may be worth waiting until we get one good one as I don't want to go through what I've gone through with the miscarriage again if it can be avoided.
As for the $2100 I assume that is fully out of pocket (no medicare rebate) - is that correct?
Buliej, I've also gone through the trail of thoughts like you not long ago, with to do PGD or not. Like you said, the embyros have to grow to blasties (Day 5) and then biopsyed. So all the girls here had a bit of nerve regarding after all the trauma procedures, will there be any embie left kind of fear. This is the toughest part of PGD. That's probably why my FS suggested for this current cycle just to see how many embyros I produce then decide what to do. And yes, the cost for PGD is fully out of pocket no medicare rebate.
Meredith, glad to hear that all levels is good. You guys really sounds like little scientist when you are talking about those E2 numbers, I tend to block them out unless nurse tells me. I have no idea what my level is....:-)
Yeah, for me, I hope this will be the last AF for a loooong time....I am on 150 puregon and having b/t tomorrow.
Sara, hope you are more relaxed now...b/t tomorrow?
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I have been eating slices of fresh pineapple (at room temperature - as I have heard in Chinese med they recommend no cold foods). But I do not know how much to have! Any suggestions? Please feel free to send any other tips my way. Desperate to implant!!!
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you are lucky Sara....
Like I said - you may be a late starter - really common. I did not want to worry you. It is only three days in and your E2 would have been very low (like single figures) after down regging. That's why it can take a while to "fire up". In my uneducated opinion, I think the ultrasound will be more telling than the early E2 level. If you have lots of nice follies they may let you "cook" for a bit longer. BTW the next cycle I was put on 375 units. Good luck with your ultrasound - thinking of you tomorrow
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