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I do find it insulting only based on the fact that time/resources are taken away from couples who need it.
I have never had any troubles conceiving nor do I have any desire to have twins so perhaps my opinion would change if this was the case.
To all those going down the IVF path I pray for success.
I voted: I need assisted conception and DO find it insulting
I kept changing my mind a little bit reading each different post and yes while I agree with some things said, this is what I personally think:
People who are not infertile and who have not had to undergo IVF do not know what we go through in order to conceive - and could never understand. It is hard emotionally, psychically and financially.
I would think being fertile and doing IVF simply to have twins - would seem like an easy process - what do you care if it doesn't work - you can always go and fall pregnant naturally next month.
For us, infertile people, this isn't the case. Another failed cycle means thousands of dollars down the drain - and no baby to show for it. You don't know if you are going to be one of the lucky 60 odd % that IVF works for - you don't know if it is going to take, 1, 2, 5 or 10 cycles. There is so much unknown.
So I find it insulting because, people look at IVF as an easy way out of achieving a twin pregnancy - I had 2 embryos implanted - and no not a twin pregnancy. There is a higher chance, but it isn't a given - nothing to do with IVF is a given.
I need assistance with trying to conceive.
I DONT find it INSULTING that healthy couples use IVF to soley have twins, i think its STUPID, would you rather explain to your kids "mummy and daddy love each other very much and you were made in love" or "mummy and daddy love each other very much and you were made in a test tube" i would give anything to be able to have a baby naturally, besides its not even 100% to eggs will take!!
I find it insulting that people think they can buy themselves twins by using IVF when they don't need it. If this was something that was allowed regularly, where would it end? In America when you have IVF they can test the embryos to see the sex. So what would happen to the embryos that are the unwanted sex? it could just spiral out of control.
I did have IVF and think that the resources should be used for those that genuinely need it. Those clinics are busy enough as it is without couples wanting designer babies joining the queues.
I have double ET's and I will tick I don't find it insulting.
Awesome post, post #58 hollybolly.. says it all for me really :hug:
I know someone who is pregnant with twins at her request after multiple failed attempts at IVF. I think her doctor took some convincing though.:
I don't find the idea of fertile people using IVF to have twins insulting- but I wonder why on earth you would want to go through that!
I feel that the precious lives that are risked and lost through IVF is hard enough to bear for mums, dads, and embies without healthy couples turning the technology into a commercial enterprise akin to Gucci.
Let's be honest though - this is the kind of world we are living in. People are more and more interested in getting what they want, rather than learning to be content with what they've already got.
Bonnie
Its actually a bit harder than asking for it - I know quite a few IVF women who have had 2 embryos transfered - this does not guarantee a twin pregnancy, it doesn't even guarantee a pregnancy. Nothing with IVF is guaranteed.:
Has anyone considered asking or actually asked their fertility specialist for twins
Yes we had two embryos transfered - not because we specifically wanted twins - although this would obviously be a dream outcome, but because we wanted to achieve a pregnancy. This was our goal. We are lucky enough that our FS doesn't restrict us to only 1 transfered at a time, because our success of a singleton pregnancy, come from a transfer of 2 embryos.
Great post griffibo!
I do find it insulting, i have been undergoing IVF treatment for a number of years. I firstly dont understand why someone would choose to under go ivf when they are perfectly fertile.
Well i dont/didnt need help concieving and i dont find it insulting, i think that some couples would rather have two kids (ie twins) for a number of dif reasons, if they've got the money to do it then why should it have anything to do with us. I personally wouldnt do it, i would rather concieve the natural way which is obvisouly the way im intended too.
I find it bizarre that someone would be "insulted" by someone elses fertility choices...? It seems fair comment to think a woman would be 'crazy' to go through IVF unnecessarily, but how is it an 'insult' to others? The use of IVF solely to get twins is an ethical issue similar to other questions about 'designer babies' - its not a personal attack against the infertile.
Therefore I think the poll question is worded very strangely. Perhaps a better question is "do you think that couples should be permitted to undergo IVF when they have no history of infertility" or "just to get twins" or similar...?
Niliac - the issues being discussed here ARE part of being able to answer the question, but I do agree that we need to remember that Brad and Ange are people and all of us here are people too with feelings and opinions that may differ.:
Personally, having had a cancelled cycle recently and waiting to start the next cycle I don't necessarily find it insulting, but it does concern me that there ARE waiting lists and it may make infertile couples have to wait longer - and that isn't really fair.
My biggest fear with hearing about 'designer' babies is what about those babies? What if someone wants twins and only one survives? How will that one child be treated? Will they forever feel they have let the side down because the other twin didn't survive? Even if logically it isn't their fault.
i've heard of people in America paying big bucks for the sperm of musical geniuses, stars, etc etc, and then getting upset (and sue of course) when their child doesn't come out playing Mozart (they seem to forget that the child has half their DNA and may have ten thumbs when it comes to playing music!). THAT angers me! Those poor kids will forever know that they aren't 'good enough' in the eyes of their parents.
My DH and I want a child so much, and I just want to meet them and learn who they are and love them. I don't care if its one or two - though only having one embryo transfer makes sense to me as it is less risk to the baby.
As for the conversation about 'needing' have a baby - no its not a need - it's the strongest desire, the most precious gift, and the greatest job in the whole world. We've been told that we should adopt rather than go through IVF - after a few interesting words from me :p I told them that we are not able to adopt due to medical reasons - same as some of the other girls here. So IVF is our only hope.
Take care all,
I voted that I DO need assisted conception myself (am currently undergoing IVF/ICSI cycle) and DON'T find it insulting. What other people choose to do with their bodies has no bearing whatsoever on me, my husband, and our infertility journey. They're journeys are irrelevant to me, therefore I don't feel personally insulted.
Lots of people have lots of medical treatments/surgeries that aren't necessarily medically necessary, e.g. some types of cosmetic surgery. People have all sorts of reasons why they might want twins, so who am I to judge their intentions?
Having said that, at my IVF clinic, only 40% fall pregnant with an IVF stim cycle, and of those, 75% AREN'T twins, so it's certainly not guaranteed. The time, early mornings, constant appointments, assault of hormones on your body, general anaesthetics, hospital visits etc are not easy, and if I wasn't infertile, you can bet your bottom dollar there's no way I would be having IVF.
hmm... I must say I am surprised at the high number of those who do take personal insult to the concept of using IVF to conceive twins. The question doesn't take into account any of the circumstances leading to such a choice
I am blessed to have 3 healthy naturally convceived children and have had 4 pregnancies. Twins and triplets run rife in my family (and twins in my hubby's family)and I have to be honest - I desperately would love a multiple birth - furthermore I have 3 boys and if I was allowed I would have IVF to have a much wanted girl. Before anyone gets upset - I wouldn't change my boys for the world and I love them more than life itself - my desire for a girl is a completely seperate issue to being grateful for what I have; but the link I am drawing here, is (in my opinion) who has the right to decide who's needs are higher? Certainly if I choose IVF and my choice were to push back an infertile couple on a list, then I personally wouldn't go ahead. That is my personal choice - but surely anyone who wants children has a right to try an act on that dream?
What I find insulting is other people thinking they can tell someone what is right and wrong - each person needs to make their own choices based on their own experiences; in my experience someone with children of both genders is very lucky; in my sister's experience (who is having trouble ttc), I am very lucky. Everyone's personal experience is just that - their own and I think no one else has the right to judge. To feel insulted by someone's else's choice?? I think it is more fruitful to look at why their choice affects you in the way it does.
But in saying all this - if the choice is just a choice of fashion... be it up to the decider to have a clean conscience!
I have no problem with people who need IVF having twins. People who cannot otherwise have any children. People who don't choose to have this invasive, life-threatening procdure done but still do it in order to be parents.
People who "want twins" or "want one of each" or whatever... personally, I find that abhorrant. I wouldn't make a law against it, but I dislike it. Offence or insult may not be the best words, but it's close. "Normal babies aren't good enough for me!" it seems to shout. "We're better than you! Our children are more perfect than yours!"
It's just the first step towards normalising medical treatment... anyone thinking along the lines of Brave New World or Gattika when people demand fertility treatments for fashion rather than need?
I do, however, find it insulting that you are belittling me for selecting the "insulting" option. And, btw, I will tell you right now I think theft is wrong... is that a bad thing? Can I not tell everyone that? Are you insulted by your government telling you that?
I find it highly insulting and TBH very hurtful.. I have only just started the journey of fertility treatment after 2 1/2 yrs of TTC naturally (with a m/c and a break due to getting engaged and married) .........
I have heard that Brad and Angelina went down the IVF path because they really wanted another child and didn't want it to take too long so they did IVF to take the stress out of TTC.. ALthough it has come out that they didn't use IVF..
Fortunately as of yet we don't have to try IVF, we are on the clomid journey for now, but if we were to go down the IVF path it is something that we don't really have the money for, we would have it if we really needed it BUT it is our savings for house renovations and our futures. For someone who has what it would seem endless money to use IVF cos they can so they don't have to really TTC is bull**** and very upsetting for myself....
I personally don't think its fair.
If you are meant to have twins you will. It's purely up to Mother Nature.
People who need help with fertility go through alot of heartache. Its not fair that perfectly healthy, fertile people are taking up the time & resources. Celebreties or not.
If you can have one baby naturally, don't go risking yours & your babies lives by having 2.(I know thats going a bit far!) But it is putting you & your babies at higher risk by choice.
It's even harder for me to accept if the couple already has children & still uses IVF just for twins.
My Uncles wife was considering IVF & was talking about asking for twins straight up. I couldn't believe it.
IVF is for helping infertile couples have the family they've been dreaming of. Not to give celebrities an easier ride.
We don't get to chose the sex of our babies, or what colour hair they have. Why actually try to have more than one bub unless you've been through it all & it's your only chance at having a family.
Completely agree. I think the question was cleverly worded to stir up emotion, and to influence the emotions felt too. Typical journalism really.:
Insult and offence are personal feelings, and while I myself would not be insulted, I find it amazing that anyone feels they have the right to tell someone else how to feel about something so personal and difficult as infertility, especially if they've never had to experience infertility themselves.
hmmmmmmm...so you wouldnt be insulted if I sat down next to you, farted, picked my nose and ate it the decided to take my clothes of there. These things would be my choice's...not yourse and I bet you would walk away being highly insulted by what I was doing.:
We are human, everyone has the right to think, say and do as they please. If someone on the other hand finds something offensive, hurtful or nice they have the right to voice what they are feeling.
Woman that go through IVF climb big mountains to do it. They may seem very selfish to some wanting a child that badly...but in my eyes they are selfless, strong woman who should be recognised for what they putting not only their bodies into, but their mental stability and well being. AND if wanting a 'twin' out come is what they want...then so be it. they dame well deserve happiness too!
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Hi - I hope that isn't how I've come across. My point was meant to illustrate that I think judging another's choice (IVF for what ever reason) and / or feelings (insult at fertile couples choosing IVF) is not right - no matter what the choice or what the feeling. I hope no one thinks I am judging their right to feel insulted or upset or any other valid emotion. and even though I've had 3 healthy children, I don't fall pregnant easily and I have had 3 miscarriages in my 1st tri and 1 in my 2nd, so I do understand heartache and the emotions it stirs a little and how "in those particular moments I didn't understand the choices of someone who seeed "lucky" in comparison to my current state.
Hey Steph - I don't mean this to be 'you shouldn't want a girl' or anything because certainly I think your longing for a girl is as valid as anyone else's longing for a child (be they boy or girl), and I hope that you do have a little girl one day (and congrats on your three boys - I always imagined myself the Mum of a gaggle of boys! :D):
I just wanted to clear up that in IVF you can't actually select the gender of your baby - the embryos are not developed enough to determine which ones are girls and which are boys, so I'm afraid IVF wouldn't be the best choice if you wanted a particular gender. One of the things I've found with going through IVF is just how little I knew about it and I guess I'm on the 'alert' to clearing up any misconceptions (is that a pun???) regarding it.
Take care,
Actually not quite correct there Kate. It is possible to determine the sex of an embryo through the IVF process it just requires a further more expensive procedure to be done called PGD.....about $5000 more than a regular cycle in fact. BUT it is currently illegal anywhere in Australia to select an embryo based on sex unless the reason for the selection is that the couple carry a sex linked genetic disorder like haemophilia or sickle cell anaemia or something like that. When a PGD procedure is done one of the markers that will show up is the x and y chromosomes, the only person under current legislation that is privy to that information is the genetic scientist...not even your IVF doctor is allowed to know if the embryo they are implanting is a boy or a girl.
OKay back to the topic at hand.....I have pondered this and followed the discussion for most of the day before voting. My gut feeling as someone undergoing IVF (and PGD) is that it is insulting to me as an individual that someone would expect to have access to what is essentially a medical and surgical treatment to treat a medical disorder in order to fulfill what is essentially a convenience for these otherwise heathy couples. In any other area of medicine we would not think to give medical treatment to a healthy person....we would not give chemotherapy to someone who did not have cancer, we would not offer a new organ to someone who did not need it so why are we offering infertility treatment to otherwise fertile couples...... just doesnt make sense to me. I have no problems with gay lesbian and single people seeking treatment...in my eyes they fall under my broader banner/definition of infertility but a healthy couple with a proven track record of healthy pregnancies and babies....to me that is just another example of what is fast becoming a "fast food" "drive through convenience store" mentality. Is that really the way we as a society want to head...I personally don't think so. In my opinion (and I stress it is my opinion) people who wish to carry twins do so because they want to get their instant family over and done with in one hit, one preganancy and more importantly in my personal view, one lot of maternity leave so that they can get back their careers as soon as possible with minimal downtime. I think society in general needs to take a big hard look at itself when the need for career supercedes the need for family values and nurturing.
Just my take on it all for what its worth.
Also I cringe at the thought and possibilty that the same people who are desirous of these convenience families tend to be those of the more affluent nature and the possibility of queue jumping arises....money can buy anything even babies it seems in this life and while I had to wait 4 months for my initial IVF appointment with the fertility specialist of my choice, if you have the right influence you can walk in the next day it seems. I think that is what bugs me most of all about fertile couples accessing IVF treatment is that they are taking away valuable time from the people who are really entitled to that MEDICAL treatment......me being one of them. To undergo PGD treatment (which we are accessing to look at recurrent miscarriages issues) means that we are only able to cycle at certain times. The laboratory equipment , the procedures and the scientists needed are so specialised that only 4 patients can be done each week through this technique, meaning we have to wait our turn to cycle each time as to when there is a gap. I cannot simpy do an IVF cycle every month till I get it right I have to wait several months in between till there is room for me. If one of those spots was taken up by a healthy couple looking for designer babies I would be ropeable.
To bring this thought back onto the topic, IVF in general is a limited resource operation. Not every hospital can offer it, it is highly specialised and requires millions of dollars of equipment and highly specialised and trained doctors. The treatments are expensive requiring the use of both medical and surgical time. I am insulted that healthy people think they have the right to clog up the system and hog my doctors time and resources with their designer families when other families struggle even with the help of medicare to afford the medical treatment that they deserve in order to acheive their dream of a family.
I don't find it insulting for a normally fertile couple to use IVF to have twins by choice but this is perhaps because I'm ridiculously fertile and have never had to go though the stress and anguish of desperately wanting to conceive.
I do however find it to be a waste of resources and think it should only be available to parents who will pay for it all out of pocket themselves.
I find the Brangelina thing to be very upsetting. There are millions of women who have a fertility problem and want children but they cannot afford the ivf procedure. Here they are having the procedure and they don't have a fertility problem it is just plain insulting. That money that they got for those pictures, maybe they should've donated some of it towards a fund that can help actual infertile mothers conceive.
I didn't vote because "insulting" isn't quite in my equation.
Having accidentally conceived my little lady, and having to only a small extent on here been given the privilege of sharing AC journeys with other women, i cannot FATHOM why anyone who didn't have to have IVF would do so for "convenience". Compared to unprotected sex it is the most inconvenient way i can THINK of to get a baby. Also IVF offers no guarantees. Lots of women have twin pregnancies and lose one baby early on. In addition twin pregnancies are actually relatively dangerous for all concerned (which is why most FS' won't even put 2 embies back).
So i'm not insulted by the idea. I'm concerned that those whose only shot at conception is through AC will be queue-jumped by those who don't actually need treatment to get PG, and i'm confused that anyone would volunteer for this path without a real need for it (be it social or physical - i CAN see why a single woman would rather not have random sex to get PG!), but i guess when humans stop baffling me it'll be my time to die!
Bx
How hypothetical is this question?
Does anyone actually go through IVF to get a multiple birth?? Are you allowed?
Has this question been raised before Brad and Ange?
I didn't answer the poll because Im not sure the question is even relevant if it doesn't even happen.....
Well first up, the issue of whether or not Brad and Angelina's twins were naturally conceived or not is obviously irrelevant! (why all the debate on this?!) - they being merely a catalyst for raising the topic of whether or not IVF treatment specifically for twins, in a healthy couple is ethical or not.
Personally (and this will always be a very subjective topic), I am always very leery of medical procedures being performed unecessarily in healthy individuals (not just IVF). I think there is are definite ethical issues in exposing an individual to the associated risks (low though they may be, granted) of a purely voluntary and 'to order' medical procedure when they have a healthy natural alternative. Is the treating physician truly acting in their patient's best medical interests? Particularly in this debate, where the 'voluntary' pregnancies in question are twin pregnancies with the statistically markedly higher associated risks.
And of course the other major issue for me is one of resourses. Certainly I beleive that in the allocation of fertility treatment resources, 'voluntary' couples should be at the end of the queue at the very least, and no public health insurance should cover any of it.
I think we need to be very aware also, of where this could potentially lead, and what is fueling the access to this 'voluntary' fertility (including 'to order' twins). In 2007 I travelled to the USA to access IVF as a surrogate, for friends of mine who had tried unsuccessfully to conceive for approximately eight years. I can certainly vouch for the fact that the large fertility clinics there, are all about commercialism - they are absolute 'baby making' production lines (it quite took my breath away, and was somewhat distasteful and offputting from my perspective). Would we really want our fertility clinics in Australia to take on such an industrial commercial edge: profit making, 'user pays', 'to order' pregnancies? Hmmm.....
Leading on from this is the issue of how much 'control' we should ethically be able to access over our pregnancies - where does the buck stop. If we can have a twin pregnancy 'to order', what about gender, or (as genetic sciences scurry along) specific physical characteristics, or, or, or............it certainly a line in the sand that we need to think about. (Don't get me wrong folks, I'm absolutely pro genetic technologies, where there are genuine health or fertility issues to address).
Absolutely finally (sorry for this being so long!!), having undergone IVF treatment, I think you'd have to be mad to access it for no good reason - it's lengthy, incredibly invasive, and most unpleasant.
By the way - I had twins (the embyos weren't fabulous, so it was judged prudent to transer two embryos, and they obviously decided they were there to stay anyway!!).
Cheers Hopefullysoon
Lulu, it depends on the clinic. My FS flat out refused to do double embryo transfers, regardless of age and number of failed cycles, so twin pregnancies with him are simply not an option. I never bothered asking, as a 43 year old friend seeing the same doctor with numerous failed cycles behind her was flatly refused. I figured that me at 33 with a good pregnancy rate from transfers (sadly also followed up with a high rate of miscarriage) would have no hope of trying to make him budge.
Others are happier to put two embryos back, but I have always been under the impression that it's to increase the chances of having one stick, rather than a deliberate action to give the couple twins. Someone who is actually able to have double embryo transfers would be better suited to answer the question than myself.
BW
My double ET's are because of my age (now 44) and yes it's to double the chances of one sticking not to have twins although that would be nice
Thats what I mean, I read here how Drs won't do it here, so it's not like you rock up and say "2 please"!
I've seen how some of you guys have to ARGUE to have 2 transfers, and as much as that would CRAP ME OFF if I was in your situation, Hopefullysoons perspective of the baby machine clinics in the US have given it another angle.
I want to know why the journo thinks its an issue worth discussing if it doesn't happen here, and it doesn't look like many FS's will do it anyway....
I never really had to argue to have two transferred. I had 2 day 2 embryos transferred at my second stim cycle, at 34 years of age. But it was never about trying to have twins, it was about trying to have a child, period.
I had 2 embryos transferred each time from my second cycle onwards too, and took until my 8th cycle to fall pregnant. That cycle, I had 2 blastocysts transferred (even better chance of implantation) and yet still had a singleton pregnancy.
Which is why I find it funny that anyone thinks they can 'order' a twin pregnancy. They would be unnecessarily spending money on a invasive, unpleasant procedure, may face the prospect of mulitple foetal reduction (if they try to increase their chances by transferring 3 or more embryos, as they're allowed to do in the US), or - the most likely scenario - end up with a singleton pregnancy anyway.
Then what happens? Do you sue for not getting the twins you paid for? LOL!
Honestly, I would rather spend my time thinking about my own family and concerns, if you spend a little less time worrying about what others do and more time concerntrating on your own life you will find you are alot happier and no longer get insulted by what others do. I need AC , what others do is none of my concern. :)
I do have a strong opinion about this issue. IVF is a process that has been developed for those of us that are unable to conceive naturally. The issue of putting back more than one embryo depends on the age, medical situation of the patient and the guidance and experience of the doctor - i don't believe that there can be a black and white answer to that.
As for fertile couples utilising IVF to increase their chances of falling pregnant, i find this amazing as most of us know it not only often takes a long time but the heartbreak of knowing you just have to keep going because there is no other option is heartbreaking. For these same people, to think they may be choosing to have twins by utilising IVF and having 2 embryos put back to achieve that end, YES i do find it insulting. What happened to being thankful for a body that will naturally achieve a healthy pregnancy?
On the other hand, consider this - if you are a doctor who has Angelina on your doorstep with the extra cash and the prospect of that "fine addition" on your resume, then what would you say???
I just hope that the future research leads to improved pregnancy rates and that this success continues to benefit those of us who really are greatful for the technology.
Perhaps a different question needs to be asked: "Do you find that the media gives a untrue representation of IVF and the effort and heartbreak involved" - although that may give a landslide to the affirmative side.
I answered the poll "yes I find it insulting and didnt need assistance", before i read the actual post regarding what it was being made reference in.
I think knowing that it has been asked in reference to a high profile celeb couple who love having a big family and seem fortunate to be able to make this happen quickly in a variety of ways, makes it difficult to separate the initial question without making mention to them, (even if only in your thought process and not written in your post) because they choose to make their family news public and there is obvious controversy and feelings about their entitlements as a famous wealthy couple around the ways they have grown their family.
Whether its the reality of their family life or not, they and the media project an image of being sooo happy and together, as a beautiful large multi cultural growing family. And if they did choose IVF to conceive twins - which I personally doubt they did, that just adds to that sence of their privilege that so many of us 'happy with our own lives' probably wish could be more fair.
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for me at least, the "Brangelina" factor doesn't enter into this debate at all. i don't think their lifestyle changes my feelings about it at all. the example i actually used with my DH when discussing this was my own brother - they have three children, and i asked "would you be offended if they, or another couple like them, chose to use IVF just because they wanted twins"? i took the celebrity factor away - and i still find the notion offensive/insulting!
ultimately, i don't care what a celebrity couple do with their lives - i don't buy trash magazines, the only gossip i read is what gets posted on BB, or what i hear from the girls at work. i don't think HOW their children were conceived is newsworthy. but the fact that the rumour mill started this topic of conversation, and brought to the public attention "healthy" couples using fertility treatment JUST to have twins, i think it's fair to address the issues, and to be honest about how we feel. trashy gossip mags do a damn good job of minimising so many issues that the average person experiences - struggles to conceive, miscarriage, struggles with body image - and they do it all for the dollars they will get. until trash mags get a grip on reality, learn to respect celebrities personal lives as PERSONAL, and stop using the latest rumour as a way to sell their mags, they will continue to be insulting/offensive to those of us who really are going through such medical procedures.
Um, it's actually just a regular newspaper, it's not a headline story, and the journalist is a mother of a toddler, who heard the rumour and thought about the question if it would upset other couples going through IVF. The rumour triggered the interest as she felt that it was insulting in a way, she wondered what others would think. After the harsh responses she received on this forum (some of which have been removed), she felt awful and didnt want to run the story anymore, she was going to be mentioning "what the members on the BellyBelly website thought" about couples conceiving for the pure purpose of want than need. But don't worry, I dont think she plans to run the story anymore so can we all please just move on?
As a person that suffered infertility for many years and went through assisted conception to conceive my twins I am insulted and really hurt that someone fertile would do this.
Why should anyone be given the chance to go get ivf done purely to try and get twins.It seems utterly ridiculous that anyone would consider that.
The pain and suffering and longing to have a child is something that a fertile person doesnt ever have to go through. Why use the resources and a spot for a couple that are so desperate to conceive be taken by someone lazy enough that cant be bothered doing it themselves. If they have no fertility issues then they dont need IVF. Its selfish and one step away from designer babies.
People want to control their lives and if they have enough money they think they can order their babies like they do their drive thru meal.
Whats next??? Ordering a baby that looks like Brad Pitt and has Angelinas lips and smouldering eyes?
Only a person that has suffered the arduous journey of infertility can understand what it feels like. The desperation you have everyday of hoping that you will one day have a baby in your arms. The longing, the hope. Its hard enough seeing people that can conceive at the drop of the hat, let alone ones that would consider ivf just to get twins.
And I agree...how wrong is the journalist that asks the question. Shows how ignorant they are in understanding the IVF process here in Australia.
IVF does not guarantee you twins, nor does it even guarantee you a single baby. It is a procedure that will help you maybe achieve what nature hasnt let you.