Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception ~ October 2006

[TwoMums]

Hi Girls

Its amazing what a little research can do, i have been busily looking into ICSI and 3 pronuclei embryo's and seems they are related!! So it may not have been Kim's eggs's at all! The details are on my blog, but basically they can be due to excessive disruption of the oolemma when the needle penetrates the egg.

Regardless of why it happened, Kim and I did not consent to ICSI and if we had not have asked to speak to the scientist after the EPU, we would never have known...

She came into recovery and the first thing she said was "Hi, my name is ..... and I am your scientist, I have just finished stripping your eggs for ICSI and there are two mature eggs and one we arent sure of so we are going to inject it anyway"...

I said, but we didnt ask for ICSI...Why do we need ICSI??? She said, "oh, well, your doctor ordered it" [LIE] and i said "but why, we don't need it"...and she said "probably because of your poor fertilisation rate before" [LIE] and i said "but these aren't my eggs they are kims, she is my donor and if i wanted ICSI i wouldnt have bothered using a donor"...she just said she would look into it.

They keep saying that it could only be a good thing but of course they would say that to cover their buts. If i wanted ICSI i would have asked for ICSI and Doc DID NOT order it, i asked him and he was totally unaware...but apparently "the board" of the fertility clinic have "decided" to perform ICSI on all cycles using donor sperm "for free" due to 1. a lack of donor sperm and 2. them having to lower their standards for donors and accepting donors with lower counts and less than optimal quality...because of the change in legislation regarding anonymity.

I mean if i were to consider ICSI, i would have used it on my own eggs first...but for personal reasons my choice is NOT to use ICSI...mainly due to my belief in "Natural Selection" and the fact that i don't have Male Factor Infertility.... Still If i chose it for poor fertilisation rates, i would have used my own eggs first if at all...but the fact remains they are using ICSI for their own benefit not mine...

I have made a complaint but am seriously considering taking legal action as they did not have written or verbal consent and it goes against any of the Minimum Standards for use of ICSI and i quote said Minimum Standards...

"ICSI is to be a clinical decision made in advance and it is not appropriate for the matter to be raised with the patients for the first time in the emergency situation, especially by laboratory staff on the day of oocyte retrieval. Emergency ICSI is to be allowed only if this possibility has been foreshadowed and discussed at the time of clinical examination and counselling, so that the patients are able to give effective consent to the procedure."

I am thinking about changing FS and looking into Tubal Flushing with Lipadol and using IUI with Clomid and Donor Sperm from the USA which is of a very high standard. So girls i haven't given up, I am just getting started...