Both DH and I are so bummed for you. I can't understand why that beautiful fat prog result didn't convert to a big fat baby. Did they tell you what the numbers were today? You know I like the numbers. Let me know if you have them.
I felt so sure for you. But you know, this process does work. Here am I with a 9% chance and I've made it across the line. Your odds are so much better - 33%. I always expected it would take four to six goes, and that's ended up true for me. I can't help thinking you are close to a result.
But as you say, IVF has good odds too.
We send you lots of love and lots of light and big, big hugs. We know you and DH will get there somehow sometime.
Thanks for your kind words guys. We will all get there one day, this month just wasnt our time.
OP - the only thing they told me was that my prog had decreased to a reading of 11. She did not mention any hcg result, so I assuming it was nil or not worth mentioning. C'est la vie they say. Onwards and upwards from here. Strangely enough with every failure I seem to cope better. Appt with my FS booked for 16th - am expecting the IVf push then. Op you note a success rate of 33%, this is much higher than my clinic ever said which was at 20%. Where did you find rates like this. And does this mean an IVf success rate of 45% could in fact be higher??? (clutching at straws now...)
Firstly diamond i'm so sorry abut your BFN take care of yourself hun. xx
AFM: had the IUI yest pm - all went well - nil pain at all - now the waiting game!
I have x3 pregnyl injections mon, thur and sun then BT/urine test 22.12.08 (they are closed but i'll just do it at work). Then if i'm pregnent i start progesterone pessaries until my 7 week scan. I felt so positive yest and the FS nurse was so nervous i will have multiples but she said i would be "quite uncomfortable last night as i ovulated" but i felt fine and still do??? God i'm already reading to much into things!!!!!!
as far as exercise during the next 2 weeks go what does everyone think? and i know we have disscussed coffee but is there anything else i should avoid or do??
sorry about the me post but have to go out in half hour!
Bella - I was told not to do any more exercise than I would be doing already, so it's fine to continue any existing routines you have. In terms of food, there's obviously the caffeine and then all the usual things to avoid in pregnancy.
Bella - Glad your IUI went well, and you now have the pleasure of the wonderful TWW - dont worry if you didnt feel any o pain, every body is different..
Shades, OP, Diamond and antgirl - hope your having a lovely weekend
AFM: Friends over last night, that was wonderful, keeping my mind busy, I feel a lot better than I have the last few days, feeling calm about the outcome, and the af pains have gone away. I have done a poas - I dont even feel stressed about the results, as they are so incorrect most of the time, so AF due tommorow, prob being held back from Pregnyl.. I am going to try my best to not get too stressed -
Bella, my clinic always said don't do any serious exercise for three days after IUI. I always found I was really anxious and protective of myself during the TWW anyway, so I always told my trainer what was and wasn't willing to do. Leg press was out and some upper body exercises which pull my pelvic floor muscles were nixed too.
I think walking is the safest form of exercise at this time. Unless you're Jane Flemming and you're use to exercising at elite athlete levels!
I did review my gym's advice on exercising during pregnancy - they say mother's heart rate must not go above 140. Another trainer at my old gym said nothing above 120 and no ab training. No situps, cruches or other malarchy like that.
Lets face it - all our babies are so precious, none of us will want to put them at risk. They're just too darned hard to get!!!
Diamond, that's a low prog result. What a total bummer. I've said it before - days 21-28 of the cylce are the most crucial for cell formation. Nature demands perfection and if the chormosomes aren't all lined up right, nature puts an end to things pronto.
Re stats: I picked those stats up two months ago off the UNSW study I found. They pertained to live births resulting from IUI in 2004 in Aust & NZ. Remember when we talked about this last? I have always found IVFA very reluctant to give out real stats. I wanted them to tell me how many people conceive on their first transfer and they pretended I said nothing. I also wanted to know how many cycles it took on average to conceive. And by cycles I mean how many stimulated cycles with ocyte collection plus all subsequent transfers. They wouldn't give me that info either. So it's pretty freakin' hard to weigh up the odds when people won't tell you the facts.
Our IVF specialist gave us 30% success odds based on our medical history and our age. That's a three in 10 chance of having a baby with IVF. But 10 what? 10 transfers? 10 cycles? 10 months? 10 years? 10 trips to the moon and back? They never said.
Here's what we know about IVF: it is a numbers game. The more you try the better chance you have of success. That being said, you must have the money to keep trying, and that's why we dropped out. As I said before, our challenge was male factor. I really believed DI would work for us as it wasn't prove that I had any real problem. I also felt DI had a lower impact physically, emotionally and psychologically - and I was right.
I say follow your heart. If your heart says IVF, then go for that. There's nothing wrong with changing tack if you believe it will up your chances. There have been times when I thought we were running from one treatment to another, and somehow that was desperate. I realise now it was just me refusing to accept no for an answer. I say you should also refuse to accept no - I feel you're close. All you need is for everything to line up at the same time.
Lets talk about statistics - are they accurate ?? Is it just a case of good timing and luck ..
At the risk of offending everyone, after last week's discussions with numbers and statistics, and BT''s, there is absolutly no way of knowing if any treatment, IVF-IUI-Natural- is going to work. I really feel it is too stressfull to look at statistics. We are in the lap of the gods, what will be, will be, all we can do, is wait, and hope to god, that we are blessed ..
Am I wrong in throwing this out there - do we honestly have a chance with statistics and numbers and levels, or is it just pure luck ...
All we really want to know is - when is it my turn, when will I get to hold that beautiful baby in my arms, and I must say, I am not cynical, I really do wish the best for everyone, but I belive all we really are wanting to know - is when
My FS said 20% chance for IUI and IVF (and Clomid) - and that was per cycle. Not sure on the multiple transfer though. But he said the chances were better because we were younger and fit and healthy etc (we're still both under 30). Basically he said that while the odds were the same, the mechanisms were different and some methods work better for some people. So he starts with the least invasive (OI - clomid) and progresses through.
AFM, I have a feeling I did ovulate this week. Twinges and CM would say I did anyway. So now we wait for AF (or not if we're lucky). If AF visits we'll have another natural cycle before the IUI in the new year. I'm happy with that, if the naturopathy gets my cycle relatively normal that sounds even better! However, we're definitely keen to maximise the chances of pg, so we'll be going ahead with IUI when we can. I can feel it - a pg for me early next year! OP - you've lead by example!
For me, the stats put parameters on what is otherwise an unknown, and give me something to work towards. I'm naturally competitive so I find stats motivating.
When we first got started we noted that 25% of people conceive on their first try. Danged if we didn't try to be one of those people!
Then when we found our DH had a testicular varicocele we used the stats to decide whether we would embolise or just leave it. 40% increased chance of obtaining a pregnancy within 6-9months of embolisation seemed good odds. Sadly, we believe the embolisation changed nothing (except aesthetically!).
But I have to agree with WLAB - in the end, it boils down to luck. But in the same way you can get lucky and win the Lottery, you can also get lucky and win this game. All you have to is keep playing, and eventually your number will come up.
Well one more day has passed - hopefully another passes and another without any af, I have poas and it is negative, I know, I know, I couldn't help it ..
WLAB - since you've been on Pregnyl this month I'd be looking for AF 3-5 days past due date. It takes that long for the stuff to wear off.
AFM: DH and were sitting at the table last night wrapping Christmas presents when he piped up with: "So, are you going to do the angiogram?". I paused for a moment then said, "What exactly do you think that's for?"
His reply was "well it's either done through the belly or vaginally and it's..." and I just cut him off and said "No I don't think so since there's nothing wrong with my heart!".
He was floored! He'd been reading Dr Miriam Stoppard's book and thought he was onto something. I told him I thought he meant Amniocentesis. In which case, yes, I think we'll have to do that since I'm so old. He clearly hasn't connnectd that with what I was talking about in the car yesterday - I'd been talking about the tests at 19 weeks and what do to if results came back with bad news and what we'd do if we had to make a hard decision.
Well my TWW is over .. really dissapointed .. I thought this would be it ...
I will be going back to a stim IVF cycle in Jan - but I will allways popping in to see how you ladies are going, Bella, Shades & Wannabemum - all the best for your BFP's.
OP - I will be keeping track of you and your journey - you will be a valued member of the Preg after LTTC group of girls - good luck and thank you again for all your valued and informative answers to all my questions, I would have been lost without you x
Diamond - If you decide to go with IVF I will see you in the IVF forums - I will be checking on you too - and I am glad I met you in cyber space - take care till we talk again
I am so sorry to hear your cycle is over. I hope you are doing ok. Please know I am here to chat to or vent to. This is a crappy thing to go through so please be kind to yourself. As for me, I try to focus on any positive that I can... at least you can enjoy the festive season, have a drink or two, and start fresh in 09.
I think I will also be doing an IVF stim cycle in Jan, so we can again share another journey that will hopefully end a bit better for the both of us. I have my FS appt on 16th which I am expecting to be pushed down this path.
How is everyone else travelling? I know I am out at the moment but I will still be lurking around here, offering input where I can and following all your journeys.
WLAB - that's a total bummer. I'm really sorry it didn't work out this time. Your readings looked really good - it really couldn't have gone either way for you.
At least AF has come relatively close to the due date so you can start again.
Very good luck with the IVF process. My advice to you is: precision. The drugs work best when used with very tight control. No forgetting your drugs! Use you mobile phone to set alarms for yourself so you can do your sniffs and shots at the exact same time every day. And no upping the doses yourself!
Op - I will take your advice and not forget any doses or times - I know you have a heap of TTC books, which one is your favorite ? And do you think there is anything I can do to give my eggs a bit of TLC - I only got two to transfer at day 3 after a pick up of 11, and 5 fertilising ? If I can get them to blast, I know my FS would rather wait .. but I need to improve them somehow ??
WLAB - sorry to hear your out this cycle - best of luck for 2009
Well looks like this thread may be clearing out again - hopefully i'll be gone soon to!!!!
I had my first pregnyl shot mon (ouch!!) feeling good, boobs sore when touched and very tired but otherwise plodding along. I'm worried about DH though - i think he is getting very excited and i'm worried how he will feel if it's a BFN - i know it's good to be positive but i'm also realistic not sure he is.
Anyway better go and get dinner started have friends coming for dinner.
Darn it
take care of yourself hun. xx
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