LT TTC & Assissted Conception Mar-Apr 2010

[trubabe]

brunette i totally hear you about lipoidal hsg's.i have vowed never to have another lipoidal after all the trouble i had after my one.hope you are feeling better now and good luck for you transfer.

tantee yes we paid mum a surprise visit in hospital yesterday.i even rang her from hospital car park when we were waiting for visiting hours to start and let her think we were at home lol.she was practically speechless when i poked my head around the corner lol.we had to wear the super sexy gowns and gloves to go in to see her.i told DP no taking pics and putting on facebook lol.hoping the gown/glove thing isnt needed by friday when i plan on surprising her again when my girls come back from their dads and take them to see her,mind you my girls would probably have a ball dressing up in the gowns etc.today has been the first day i havent been overly sore since lap.mind you one incision came open twice so that made the pain hang around.

i hope everyone is doing ok and had a great easter

[Brunette]

Trubabe, can I ask what your experience was with the lipiodol HSG? I so feel for your mum. Bet your surprise at the hospital cheered her up no end. That lap incisions twice opening sound very painful! I had a lap/hysteroscopy/dye studies about 15 months ago and whilst none reopened I have two horrible keloid-looking scars which I hate!

JBM, why is it that men always take us so literally? My DH had the choice of a reversal or TESA and I know he's very happy that he had the reversal done. Is it very painful for them?

Hey Melissa, looks like I'll see you in the TWW in about a week's time. Our clinic likes to thaw thre-day embies for two days so that they are transferred on day 5, which is about the time when in nature fertilised eggs would make their way into the uterus. But I suppose it depends on what day the embies are frozen. Perhaps if frozen on day 2 they would thaw them for three days? How many embies are you thawing and hoping to transfer?

AFM, I had my transfer early this morning. It all went well. Both reached blasty stage, and one was hatching and the other enlarged (the stage just prior to hatching) so DH and I are pretty happy at the moment. I am going around telling mum and DH that I am PUPO! I suppose it's time to make the move to the TWW thread but I'll be sticking my head in here seeing how everyone is going. GL to all you ladies!

Oops, forgot to ask, my new FS has me on pregnyl injections for this ET. I've had the 5000 iui pregnyl before as a trigger shot, but this time I had one 1500 iui pregnyl the day before ET, I have to have another the day after ET and another in a week's time. I forgot to ask my FS the reason why, and I'm assuming it's to trick the body into thinking it's pregnant as it has hcg in it. Can any ladies offer any info on this? Thanks in advance!

[juniper76]

Brunette, I've done the hcg booster shots before (with different timing) and my understanding is that our bodies metabolise the hcg into progesterone, so it's additional luteal support. I don't think that's the whole story, but I was happy to go along with it because it's not that uncommon. The only time I've gotten to the beta without any sign of AF was when I did 3 crinone/day plus 3 hcg booster shots. The normal 2 crinone/day doesn't do enough for me... They sound like a great pair of blasts! I have my FX for them.

Trubabe, I'm glad you were able to give your mum such a pleasant surprise. Did you tell us how your lap went? I'll have to read back and check if I missed it. It took me about a week to feel back to normal, so you're doing pretty well with 5 days recovery.

Tantee, I'm doing okay thanks. We go back to see our doc on 20/04 to discuss another IVF, so we've still got 2 weeks to decide what we want to do. I've finally made an appointment to start back at acupuncture and am curious to see if she alters the treatment now that I've been diagnosed with endo. (Btw, I was swept away by your huge list of persies. I can never keep up that well!)

Good luck to all of our cyclers and 2ww'ers.

Afm, as I said above, DH & I are trying to work out what to do next. I see 3 options:
1. Do IVF#5. Pros: should be high probability of success (hopefully!); some degree of control; knowledge of how cycle is progressing. Cons: I keep watching that number creep up and now we're halfway to 10; cost; not sure if egg quality would have recovered sufficiently following removal of endo yet (given 120 day growth time).
2. Do FET#2. Pros: lower cost than IVF; stop paying for embryo storage; can also do TI if we do a natural FET (therefore, not a wasted cycle if no transfer). Cons: only 1 embryo frozen; I don't honestly believe the embryo will make it to tranfer (either won't survive thaw or won't get to blast).
3. TTC on our own for 3 months. Pros: I'd love to actually conceive on our own and never have to do another IVF; if we did IVF#5 after this 3 month period we'd have eggs that were less likely to be affected by the endo that was on my ovaries. Cons: lower probability of success than IVF; risk of wasting time (would we be pg earlier if we did IVF instead?).
I just don't know yet which is the right option...

[trubabe]

juniper- from what was said it doesnt look like my endo has come back so who knows whats going on.

brunette-within hours i had uncontrolable full body shakes,then i had severe vomiting,cramping.then about 2 days after it was done i had heavy bleeding for nearly a week even though i only had af the week before.i didnt have pain relief for the lipoidal hsg either so was in a fair amount of pain from it straight away.i was told the shakes and vomiting werent normal and it appeared to be because the lipoidal contrast got into my blood stream.and they couldnt explan why i had such heavy bleeding either

[sunshine 11]

Juniper - Tough choices, but maybe the FET will mean you are giving IVF another month (if it doesn't work) but you are also covering option number 3 at the same time?

Tantee - it must have taken you a while to write all those persies, well done and Thanks!

Brunette- BIG FX and GL for you. Sounds like a pretty good chance of giving us ladies some good news which is VERY much needed around here! xxx

JBM - Don't you love the way we have to thank boys to do stuff that we do without so much as a whimper from anyone else!
kmm - I am so sorry to hear about your embies not doing as well as you had hoped, My only BFP was a day 3 embie with none making it to blast - it's just a numbers game for most of us. I hope you are feeling better today but big hug to you.

Hi to everyone else! Wow, there is a LOT going on in here!

AFM - I am on my month off so trying not to obsess about TTC as I just did 4 months back to back and it's very, very nice not to have to think about it. I also have two big birthdays this month (one referred to in my signature and one for my 35th) so it's been good to be in a good mood for both of those special events. Its only when you have a break you realise how tough this IVF stuff is and how great life is, even though maybe it doesn't always turn out exactly as we would like it to.

[Brunette]

Juniper, thanks for the info about pregnyl. It's weird that it is a multi-purpose drug, by the sounds of it: a trigger and a progesterone support. I'm the same as you: I've never made it to BT without spotting beforehand, and last time I was on four progesterone tabs daily and three progesterone pessaries daily! This time I'm four pess per day and 10 prog tabs. My stomach is black and blue from the clexane injections from day 7. Sometimes they work fine and other times I get these huge bruises which I need to give a wide berth - I'm running out of room!

Re what decision to make, that's really tough. Maybe go in with a game plan but be guided by your new FS? My old nextdoor neighbour has suffered with bad endo her whole life. I think she has had three ops now to remove it, and I remember her telling me her best chance to conceive was the first so many months after the endo was removed. I don't know if that helps at all ... GL on the 20th.

Hi Lairdoz, I'm practising positive visualisation and imagining the little hatching one burrowing into my endometrium. (OMG I hope I don't sound like too much of a nut). After so many attempts, it's a hard path to choose between not getting your hopes up but also finding some hope and not being too pessimistic, if you know what I mean? Enjoy your break from IVF and your upcoming birthday and I'm assuming that of your DH's? On the bright side there's no limit to how many tipples you can enjoy

Trubabe, your HSG lipiodol experience sounds terrible. How is your mum getting on?

[juniper76]

I'm practising positive visualisation and imagining the little hatching one burrowing into my endometrium. (OMG I hope I don't sound like too much of a nut).

Sweetie, if thinking that makes you sound like a nut, then I'm pretty sure you'd have most of us here (if not all of us) for company in the "nut" category! It sounds completely normal to me! In fact, I think it sounds like a great way to be thinking right now.

Lairdoz, I'm thinking along those lines about 50% of the time, so thanks for reassuring me that there is some logic to that. The mental break from TTC sounds like a good idea for letting you enjoy the festivities this month.

Brunette, I've heard the clexane can be pretty brutal so I don't envy your bruises. The timing issue is one I've read before (many even get pg their lap cycle, but unfortunately my lap was right when O was due), but thanks for reminding me of it. We will certainly consider whatever our FS has to say, but I'd like to go into that appointment with some idea of what we want so we can ask questions and understand better, rather than just trusting to blind faith (which got us to this point in the first case).

[Mummawannabe]

Hi everyone,

Just sneaking a peek at how everyone is doing...

Brunette:

I'm practising positive visualisation and imagining the little hatching one burrowing into my endometrium. (OMG I hope I don't sound like too much of a nut). After so many attempts, it's a hard path to choose between not getting your hopes up but also finding some hope and not being too pessimistic, if you know what I mean?

I often say to my hubby that Im visualising 'embie' digging into my uterine wall and I do lil doggy paddle type movements with my hands!!! Every second minute it is so hard to try and not get your hopes up, but not be negative, whilst staying positive, when inside our bodies the decision has probably already been made one way or the other! The TTW sucks the big one!!!

Oh and it seems I suck at quoting too! Sorry guys