i will be doing another normal delivery, fingers crossed that i get to that stage. I did a very succesful vbac with maddison and $hit did it hurt only because they wouldn't give me any pain meds, so i had to do it feeling every damn contraction then the midwife pulling her out. Its funny how you forget all about that and have another bubba. Just once i would like dh to feel exactly what i am going through, just once, then maybe he would be more sensitive to me especially at that time of the month. LOL Cheers kiya